League 2 managers salary rates

[GrecianLez]

I don't disagree with you and I'm not obsessed with knowing the club employees' salaries, but isn't it true that PL players salaries, England mabagers' salaries, the PM's salaries, and many others' salaries are published?

They maybe published but doesn't mean it's correct. It's never published by a club to my knowledge

But government is different gravy as they are in a public office

 

[CREDYGRECIAN]

Also this was published in the comments section on the express and echo site


Comment 1: KSearle appears to have stolen my thunder in pointing out the hysterical, illogical and factually inaccurate nature of many of Mr Thompson's arguments. For one thing I'm not aware of any club in the Football League that publicises the salaries of individual employees in the way that Mr. Thompson demands - as far as I can ascertain none of the other Trust-owned clubs do so. In fact it is rare to find any private business outside of football that behaves like this - there was actually an article in the FT about kinder, gentler creative and funky tech start-ups beginning to fully disclose individual salaries, which itself is an indication that such behaviour is not the norm. There may well be an argument for companies doing so in general, but to expect a small club like ours to be pioneers in a cut-throat and ruthless business is unrealistic. After all, due to our terrible location and budget we struggle to attract and keep talent as it is without creating further disincentives around privacy. It baffles me how the moaners constantly (and erroneously) complain of supposed gross underachievement, yet regularly call for half-baked initiatives that would cause more problems than they would solve. While attendances are down, they are certainly not the outlandish harbingers of impending doom that Mr Thompson (and I daresay the more shrill voices on the infamous exeweb) imply. Far from being an unprecedented disaster, an average home attendance of 3.498 is higher than in 15 of our 23 fourth-tier seasons since 1975 - indeed it is higher than in two of our THIRD-tier seasons during our stint there in the nineteen-eighties. It seems that attendances have become a curious focus for hysteria in certain quarters over the past few years (I spy, with my little eye, something beginning with "e" and ending in "web"). While it is true that attendances have dropped this season and while some concerns over this are legitimate, certain individuals and websites were ringing the alarm and demanding heads be separated from torsos when we were actually enjoying some of our higher attendances of the past forty years. The illogical cause for their complaints seemed to be the fact that our attendances in League 2 were lower than we achieved in League 1, during one of the most successful periods in our history which included or joint-highest ever finish. Moreover those higher attendances were achieved in an anomaly of a League 1 that due to unusual circumstances contained a number of big-to-huge clubs with unsually large away support and were therfore unusually high - for example that era included the only seasons we have achieved a 5'000 average attendance since 1965. Mr. Thompson's language in describing "rows of empty seats and the vast empty spaces on the Big Bank, for an attractive fixture against Portsmouth" illustrates the sort of thing I'm talking about. This attractive fixture just happened to take place on an August Bank Holiday weekend - a weekend where attendances are always somewhat sparse at many football grounds, for reasons which I shouldn't need to spell out. (Or should I?)

Comment 2: Using David Thompson's logic that attendances are falling due to fans not being told about club employees' salaries, that would mean that under private ownership City's (and other clubs') crowds would be virtually zero as no business would be naive enough to publish such sensitive information. The rest of the letter is guesswork and more than a little hyperbole at it's best I'm afraid. The lowering of attendances (and for someone claiming to have supported the club for 60-odd years they have been FAR lower - check out the "glory days" of the 1980s) can mostly be laid at the door of the dire home results we've endured these last couple of years. Without a doubt questions need to be asked and answered honestly about Paul Tisdale's future at the club, but that isn't the main thrust of the letter. As the previous commentator says, the Trust needs to communicate more often and more effectively, but likewise some of the fans need a reality check. Why does David Thompson need to know what club employees are earning? What would he do with such information? We elect Trust representatives to do that for us, and if you're not happy with how they do their job then you know the answer. There are Trust elections coming up, put your name forward and do something positive!


Comment 3: Being trust-owned does not mean departing from sensible practice within the football business. We still have to compete for players / coaches etc. and this would be harder if everyone knew how much money we had available (it would put the price up). We also might be a less attractive employer if we published everyone's salary. I agree the Club & Trust should communicate better but we have to be sensible about transparency. As for recent attendances, there could be several factors at play and I would be surprised if lack of financial transparency was a main one for a large majority of fans. More likely poor home form, school holidays and a several home games in a month being too expensive for some.

Didn't read that just so your aware

 

[PeteUSA]

Didn't read that just so your aware

You think I'm going to try and read all that!? I'd start a migraine.

 

[richard_portland]

Wherever the current average sits within our history, it's a fact that Pompey and argyle have been and gone. I would say it's nailed on that if we don't start picking up home points the average is only going in one direction.

The only silver lining could be if we remained competitive enough to be in a battle right up till may then each game would be vital which may boost things, but the nature of our performances would still have to improve , or Tisdale would need to get better at making the existing tactics work.

Would also say that I think the wages could be grouped into different areas to give an idea on the effectiveness of each area without specifically telling us who earns what. I would suggest players, manager and coaches inc perrymans role, commercial department, academy and everything else.

 

[CREDYGRECIAN]

I reckon Saturday against Grimsby could be sub 3000 - Chiefs home to Gloucester as well (day out on the cards) and the home form could see a quiet afternoon at SJP

 

[Alistair20000]

I reckon Saturday against Grimsby could be sub 3000 - Chiefs home to Gloucester as well (day out on the cards) and the home form could see a quiet afternoon at SJP

Don't forget the hordes who will be going on to Sid James Park after the Trust election hustings.

 

[malcolms]

They maybe published but doesn't mean it's correct. It's never published by a club to my knowledge

But government is different gravy as they are in a public office

If you're saying the figures quoted by a myriad of sources including Forbes, Deloitte's, City AM amongst many others are not accurate down to the last shekel then you may be right, but you can be sure they aren't far away either.....

 

[iscalad]

I reckon Saturday against Grimsby could be sub 3000 - Chiefs home to Gloucester as well (day out on the cards) and the home form could see a quiet afternoon at SJP

Grimsby will bring a fair few.They have good away support.

 

[Alistair20000]

Evening all - apologies for the delay - I'm at the labour conference so been off exeweb...

When I was elected to the bos in 2009, I was chosen to be its finance officer and joined the finance board.

The finance board received regular management accounts (5 pages of them) and one of those lines was indeed the managers cost. When I was on the bos, the tis line was £165k (it also included employer ni) so his salary was £150k. At the same time both tagg and perryman were on £75k - same source.

All at the club took a 10% cut when we went down back to league 2 - so he was £135k when I left the bos in 2011.

The reality is that I have no clue what anyone is in nowadays - but I would expect the current bos finance board would know but having to deal with the club on a regular basis means they won't publish it - and I can understand that.

I still have the paperwork - and have shared it with a couple of people since I left

Regards

Northants...

FYI Pate

For more than the first time I am re-posting this for you attention.

Can I politely suggest you note the thread name and post number in case you want to refer to it again.

 

[PeteUSA]

FYI Pate

For more than the first time I am re-posting this for you attention.

Can I politely suggest you note the thread name and post number in case you want to refer to it again.

Thanks once again Alistair.