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ECFC Ladies currently play their home games at Cullompton Rangers ground on a Sunday with crowds just short of 10 or 11, occasionally even more!

Playing their games at SJP would not be worth it from a purely financial point of view, it possibly costs at least a couple of £k just to put on a game at SJP, so who is going to foot that bill? It won't be covered from gate receipts that's for sure.

And before anybody jumps on the ' he's against women's football bandwagon' i'm probably the only exewebber who actually goes to watch ECFC ladies games at 'home', I have a friend whose grand-daughter plays for ECFC Ladies.
Yep, I fully understand that it's a non-starter for now. My original comment questioned whether, were we to emulate Yeovil's success, would a new pitch allow the women's team to play at SJP. Obviously, we're a long way off Yeovil right now, but if they can do it, why can't we?
 

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Meadow Park hosts Boreham Wood, as well as Arsenal Women.
Adams Park hosts Wycombe, as well as Reading Women.
Kingsmeadow hosts Wimbledon, as well as Chelsea Ladies.
Damson Park hosts Solihull Moors, as well as Birmingham City Ladies.
The Keepmoat hosts Doncaster Rovers, as well as Doncaster Belles.
The Hive play hosts London Bees, as well as Barnet.
Huish Park hosts Yeovil men's and women's teams.

These clubs manage it fine, why can't we? Your attitude towards the topic more generally belies a type of sexism (comparing women to under 8 boys, not men), that has no place in the modern world.

Grow up, get educated, and learn to respect women.
Grow up yourself you fool, I’m saying nothing of the sort.
 

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If you want to read the post again, I said that unless whoever's playing attracts a reasonable crowd then I don't see the point in opening up SJP and would rather it was left to the men's first team. If the ladies start attracting regular crowds of a good couple of hundred then why not, along with the reserves and U18s down to the U8s. In fact, lets have games on it every evening then everyone's happy, after all, we're not just one team...
Your attitude towards the topic more generally belies a type of sexism (comparing women to under 8 boys, not men), that has no place in the modern world.
Grow up yourself you fool, I’m saying nothing of the sort.
Nothing of the sort? Because it seems to be, almost verbatim, exactly what you're saying. Please correct me if I'm misreading your posts somehow, but it seems pretty clear from this exchange that you don't respect women's football much at all – comparing even professional women's teams to our U8 side.
 
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Nothing of the sort? Because it seems to be, almost verbatim, exactly what you're saying. Please correct me if I'm misreading your posts somehow, but it seems pretty clear from this exchange that you don't respect women's football much at all – comparing even professional women's teams to our U8 side.
Are you being deliberately thick or just suggesting some sort of political correctness? At the end of the day, ECFC is a commercial enterprise. A crowd of 10 or 11 (source: Andy Holloway in an earlier post) would not even pay the leccy bill, let alone staff to open the place, aside from putting more strain on the pitch at the risk of affecting the first team fixtures.

Surely you can’t believe anyone has a problem with ladies football, but currently it would seem that not many people in Exeter are keen to watch the city ladies team. If it was commercially viable, then there would be a case for hosting at SJP.
 
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Nothing of the sort? Because it seems to be, almost verbatim, exactly what you're saying. Please correct me if I'm misreading your posts somehow, but it seems pretty clear from this exchange that you don't respect women's football much at all – comparing even professional women's teams to our U8 side.
It's possible to have a point of view which doesn't correspond with your own without it being prejudiced, racialist, sexist, ageist or any other 'ist' you care too mention. The problem with political correctness is its almost slavish non adherence to this basic concept.....
 

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Being a Devon FA Referee up until the early 90's, I used to referee the occasional ladies game. They played their home games at Wyvern Barracks, on that pitch near the entrance to Wonford House. They very seldom seemed to have any supporters or fans watching, but they enjoyed themselves, which was the main thing. Regretfully I dont think the appeal to watch womans football is very much more improved from those times to the present day in the UK. Its a bit more attractive as a spectator sport here in the US, but its largely kids and youngsters in general that are drawn to it. I feel it really is a mens game. *clambers under table!*
 
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It's possible to have a point of view which doesn't correspond with your own without it being prejudiced, racialist, sexist, ageist or any other 'ist' you care too mention. The problem with political correctness is its almost slavish non adherence to this basic concept.....
...and often these criticisms are used to justify some form of positive discrimination.
 

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Are you being deliberately thick or just suggesting some sort of political correctness? At the end of the day, ECFC is a commercial enterprise. A crowd of 10 or 11 (source: Andy Holloway in an earlier post) would not even pay the leccy bill, let alone staff to open the place, aside from putting more strain on the pitch at the risk of affecting the first team fixtures.

Surely you can’t believe anyone has a problem with ladies football, but currently it would seem that not many people in Exeter are keen to watch the city ladies team. If it was commercially viable, then there would be a case for hosting at SJP.
Look at my original post.
I asked whether it would be possible for the women's team to play one game per fortnight maximum on the SJP pitch only if we got a hybrid pitch, should the women's team emulate Yeovil Ladies (i.e. make it to the Women's Super League).

You're arguing against points I'm not making. Of course it's stupid for them to play on the current pitch, because the pitch can't handle it - that's why my original question was contingent on there being a new pitch. Of course it's stupid for them to play there when they're in a very low division with very weak support, that's why my original question was contingent on them being in the top two tiers, where a minimum attendance of 400 is required. Of course it'd be stupid to play games on even a hybrid pitch every day of the week, as Moxey intimated, that's why my original question was contingent on there being one extra game every fortnight maximum.

It's possible to have a point of view which doesn't correspond with your own without it being prejudiced, racialist, sexist, ageist or any other 'ist' you care too mention. The problem with political correctness is its almost slavish non adherence to this basic concept.....
It absolutely is possible to disagree without being prejudiced. However, saying that a professional women's football team (all division 1 Women's Super League sides must be professional from next season) is comparable to U8's is sexist. It's saying we should pay them as much heed as children. It's saying that they can never, ever earn the right to play on the Saint James' Park turf. That's sexist, no matter what way you spin it. Saying men can do something and women will never be able to. It's the definition of sexist.

I'd love for us to have two successful, professional sides. I'm not saying it's imminent, but maybe it's a possibility that we could plan for.

Being a Devon FA Referee up until the early 90's, I used to referee the occasional ladies game. They played their home games at Wyvern Barracks, on that pitch near the entrance to Wonford House. They very seldom seemed to have any supporters or fans watching, but they enjoyed themselves, which was the main thing. Regretfully I dont think the appeal to watch womans football is very much more improved from those times to the present day in the UK. Its a bit more attractive as a spectator sport here in the US, but its largely kids and youngsters in general that are drawn to it. I feel it really is a mens game. *clambers under table!*
The game has definitely kicked on since then, in the UK - at least at the upper echelons. From next season, top tier sides must all be fully professional, with a minimum of 16 contact hours per week, rising to 20 by 2020-21, and operate an academy. Improving the quality of the spectacle helps attract fans. Women's football attracts more women, and it would be fantastic for particularly the younger girls in Exeter to get involved with the club, to have role-models in the community. As mentioned earlier, these clubs must have a minimum attendance of 400 to be a member of the league, so I think that would push it past the break-even point in terms of opening up the ground, should the team ever progress to the WSL.

Just a thought, would an all-singing, all-dancing million-pound pitch enable the Ladies' team to play their home games at SJP (provided they're rotated, so one game per week on the pitch)? Not really a concern for the immediate future, but I'd love if we could emulate what Yeovil have done.
A reminder of my original post, that has somehow caused so, so much controversy.
 
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It's possible to have a point of view which doesn't correspond with your own without it being prejudiced, racialist, sexist, ageist or any other 'ist' you care too mention. The problem with political correctness is its almost slavish non adherence to this basic concept.....
I agree Malc. Many of Antonys posts in general have that authoritarian edge, which can be misconstrued as somewhat caustic. When you get to know him (on here) you get to realise that his style is brief, concise, and to the point. Whereas I cant cut a long story short! :(
 

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However, saying that a professional women's football team (all division 1 Women's Super League sides must be professional from next season) is comparable to U8's is sexist. It's saying we should pay them as much heed as children. It's saying that they can never, ever earn the right to play on the Saint James' Park turf. That's sexist, no matter what way you spin it. Saying men can do something and women will never be able to. It's the definition of sexist.
What absolute tosh. Nobody is saying men can play at SJP, and women can’t - we’ve seen a female linesman let’s not forget. I’m a male Trust member, but I can’t play at SJP. Is that discriminatory? Of course not! You accuse me of not reading your post, but you don’t seem to understand it would need to be commercially viable. I would assume also that if the ladies team reached their cup semis or final, or whatever, they may well be afforded the opportunity to play at SJP.
 
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