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ramone

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To what extent have Antifa been involved in rioting across certain cities in the US?

Seattle Times: When antifa hysteria sweeps America
Mr Kristof isn't he the person who supports Hamas, famously said sweatshops are good for people in poor countries even though they are regularly not allowed to use bathrooms etc and also said flame retardants in furniture are a public risk lol
 

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I can't speak for Tavy but for me i see a very divided country and last night's debacle proved that. I do believe that Antifa on one side have some very nasty people in their ranks hell bent on violence and it has been showed all over the media/internet (Like you this is where i get all my info on too) Someone on here once said to me in a reply that the violence/protests over the past few months has been "A few broken windows" that is certainly not the case, Businesses, Livelihoods have been ruined and the commuinties Antifa are suppose to support are bearing the brunt of this violence, How does that make sense?

On the other side we have the odious alt-right which after last night have been emboldened by a President who said, Instead of condemming them, "Stand back, Stand by" to anyone that gives these thugs legitimacy and has already been put as a banner on websites, Biden should of condemmed Antifa too but shyed away from it and as said on here earlier today, If that is the choice the US have then god help them, You said the Democrats had good people in their ranks so why did they chose a 78 yr old who really should be thinking about retiring rather than take up the most stressful job in the world and a possible second choice for them was Bernie Sanders? Those good people in the Democrats you talk about are very poor at the choices they make imho.

You only have to see that in a country where bearing arms is a right and that people can openly carry assult rifles without others taking a second glance makes it a powederkeg over there and wouldn't take much for real violence to start, The right over there are using this as a fight for survival, their rights being taken away and the threat of Marxism taking over the States and they are frightened and when they're frightened with guns that makes it a dangerous place.

I will never condone violence on either side, That is not the answer and if others don't like my views then tough. In the middle of all this you have a nation who wants and needs direction, Not just domestically but internationally too, On the home front they need housing, Affordable healthcare, Decent public school education, A chance to get on in life but they're not getting this, Not only from Trump but in the Obama era too, The poverty in Democratic run cities is a disgrace and these are the things that need sorting, For years the ordainary American on the street has been ignored, Sound familier? That is why in 2016 Trump was elected.
I assume that Biden has condemned the violence though I haven't heard the soundbite

I assume that Trump has condemned the violence though I haven't heard the soundbite. I have heard Trump encourage violence. I have heard Trump encourage extra-legal action by law enforcement.

Trump has supported vigiliantisim, reached out to extreme right wing groups and got the support of right wing extremisits. This leaves him with a problem. He needs to normalise his own behaviour. He needs to create an equivalent on the left to distract from his own behaviour and make it the "new normal". Hence Antifa.

My basic point is that there is a false equivalence between between Trump and Biden being put forward by some. If I had been in Biden's shoes I would have condemned the violence but I would NOT have reinforced the false narrative about Antifa.

I acknowledge the second hand nature of my views and I am open to being persuaded that this perception is wrong.
 

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Mr Kristof isn't he the person who supports Hamas, famously said sweatshops are good for people in poor countries even though they are regularly not allowed to use bathrooms etc and also said flame retardants in furniture are a public risk lol
Thanks for that I do not know much about Mr Kristof. If he is not a credible source then I apolgise. But my basic qustion still remains.

To what extent have Antifa been involved in rioting across certain cities in the US?
 

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Thanks for that I do not know much about Mr Kristof. If he is not a credible source then I apolgise. But my basic qustion still remains.

To what extent have Antifa been involved in rioting across certain cities in the US?
Look up a guy called Jeffrey Alan Acord an organiser of BLM and Antifa gatherings !
But of course these type of people will deny ever having been part of Antifa exactly the same way as the nutters from the right will never own up to being part of the good boys organisations.
 

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I can't speak for Tavy but for me i see a very divided country and last night's debacle proved that. I do believe that Antifa on one side have some very nasty people in their ranks hell bent on violence and it has been showed all over the media/internet (Like you this is where i get all my info on too) Someone on here once said to me in a reply that the violence/protests over the past few months has been "A few broken windows" that is certainly not the case, Businesses, Livelihoods have been ruined and the commuinties Antifa are suppose to support are bearing the brunt of this violence, How does that make sense?

On the other side we have the odious alt-right which after last night have been emboldened by a President who said, Instead of condemming them, "Stand back, Stand by" to anyone that gives these thugs legitimacy and has already been put as a banner on websites, Biden should of condemmed Antifa too but shyed away from it and as said on here earlier today, If that is the choice the US have then god help them, You said the Democrats had good people in their ranks so why did they chose a 78 yr old who really should be thinking about retiring rather than take up the most stressful job in the world and a possible second choice for them was Bernie Sanders? Those good people in the Democrats you talk about are very poor at the choices they make imho.

You only have to see that in a country where bearing arms is a right and that people can openly carry assult rifles without others taking a second glance makes it a powederkeg over there and wouldn't take much for real violence to start, The right over there are using this as a fight for survival, their rights being taken away and the threat of Marxism taking over the States and they are frightened and when they're frightened with guns that makes it a dangerous place.

I will never condone violence on either side, That is not the answer and if others don't like my views then tough. In the middle of all this you have a nation who wants and needs direction, Not just domestically but internationally too, On the home front they need housing, Affordable healthcare, Decent public school education, A chance to get on in life but they're not getting this, Not only from Trump but in the Obama era too, The poverty in Democratic run cities is a disgrace and these are the things that need sorting, For years the ordainary American on the street has been ignored, Sound familier? That is why in 2016 Trump was elected.
The threat of Marxism? You are aware the the Dems are probably about as left wing as new Labour was under Tony Blair?

Its the overuse of the words nazi and Marxism that pervades modern politics that really ***** me off. A good 40% of the voting public are easily swung voters. There’s almost nothing from the conservatives or labour that would get me to vote for them currently.

Despite that, it’s still about a million times worse that the choices in the USA, Trump will increase his vote and win fairly easily too.
 

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Look up a guy called Jeffrey Alan Acord an organiser of BLM and Antifa gatherings !
But of course these type of people will deny ever having been part of Antifa exactly the same way as the nutters from the right will never own up to being part of the good boys organisations.
The difference between the proud boys and antifa is the proud boys are an organisation, with a leadership. Antifa is anyone who says they’re antifa, are antifa as there isn’t a leader or a structure. Animal liberation front are the same I believe.
 

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The threat of Marxism? You are aware the the Dems are probably about as left wing as new Labour was under Tony Blair?

Its the overuse of the words nazi and Marxism that pervades modern politics that really ***** me off. A good 40% of the voting public are easily swung voters. There’s almost nothing from the conservatives or labour that would get me to vote for them currently.

Despite that, it’s still about a million times worse that the choices in the USA, Trump will increase his vote and win fairly easily too.
The "Marxism" term is what the right of America are using to scare voters, I know their idea of this is about as Marxist as John Major but some Americans believe this, They even think having an NHS type healthcare system is going down the road to Socialism. I don't think that, I'm saying what the right are saying over there.
 

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Despite that, it’s still about a million times worse that the choices in the USA, Trump will increase his vote and win fairly easily too.
I think it's very unlikely he will increase his vote. No one who didn't vote for him last time is going to vote for him this time (excepting those who were too young). The result will depend on how many switch away from him, plus how many who voted for a third party or didn't vote last time go for Biden.

Having said that, he may increase his vote share through suppression tactics, or by simply ignoring postal votes.

Even he doesn't think he's going to win easily, hence his desperation to fill the Supreme Court slot.
 

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I think it's very unlikely he will increase his vote. No one who didn't vote for him last time is going to vote for him this time (excepting those who were too young). The result will depend on how many switch away from him, plus how many who voted for a third party or didn't vote last time go for Biden.

Having said that, he may increase his vote share through suppression tactics, or by simply ignoring postal votes.

Even he doesn't think he's going to win easily, hence his desperation to fill the Supreme Court slot.
It doesn't matter. He and his supporters have answered the question. I lose its a fix. Sadly this is going to be one of the messiest and most chaotic us elections ever. Trump won't go easily. And to think our government want to closely align to a trump us.
 
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