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In RaWZ we trust....Amen.
Unemployment now hitting levels not seen in decades.

Meanwhile house prices going through the roof.

Perhaps we should all just become Estate Agents?
Indeed..

There was no need for a Stamp Duty holiday,that extra saving just bumped up house prices & deprived the Exchequer of much needed tax revenue.
 

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Just one story from a local news channel in the US, You can denounce it as "Fake News" and being only one story but there are plenty of others out there and since you quote from the internet i thought i'd do the same.

Yes there are all sorts of stories in social media and on the internet. It is a question of individual judgement what credibility and importance that you attach to them. I am trying to understand comments made by yourself and tavyred which at the moment do not add up for me. Thanks for the response.

As for the quoting from the internet remark. I see USA politics purely through the prism of the media. I claim no special knowledge.
 

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Unemployment now hitting levels not seen in decades.

Meanwhile house prices going through the roof.

Perhaps we should all just become Estate Agents?
Its only anecdotal, but in Tavistock properties are being gobbled up left, right and centre. In a road near mine, three properties put up for sale signs last week, I did my morning constitutional this morning and all three have been sale agreed.
On employment, saw one report last week which stated that unemployment may not even hit 2009 crash levels, let alone Thatchers early eighties nightmare.
 

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Let's just hope that the era of shameless racists - who for some strange reason think
they are better than other groups of people , 2nd -rate Mussolinis, disrespectors of decency, machistas (funny that the man who talks so tough backed away from fighting for his country because of "spurs") is over. Hope to see Trump being carried away screaming with a dummy in his mouth come January.
Trump didn't do himself any favours in the debate and his loud mouth, bullying act will only resonate with his red - neck fans down south. The next moderator will learn from this and should just cut off Trump's mike when he can't control his madness. According to polls Biden was considered to be the winner of the debate.
Biden is certainly not a great candidate but he will bring America back to some decency. I'm sure he will step down sooner rather than later - job done - and Pamela Harris can take over 👍
 

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Its only anecdotal, but in Tavistock properties are being gobbled up left, right and centre.
Well of course. With WFH now a mainstay, who needs to live 10 minutes from a South East railway station any more? The exodus is well underway, evidently.

I guess it remains to be seen as to whether this is a really good or bad thing. I feel sorry for the young down there who could barely afford a house in those areas as things were. They've now just sailed well out of sight.

Meanwhile up in the smoke, I'm just hoping enough people bugger off so that school places become a bit more available and property prices drop even further. There's no stamp duty fillip here with the cheapest properties well in excess of the holiday thresholds.

Anecdotal again I know, but we have friends nearby wanting to do said exodus. They rang the estate agents who filled their heads with the usual guff....house sales gone crazy, prices going through the roof...anyway they thought they'd get theirs sold pretty quickly. 6 weeks later they haven't had one viewing! The traffic is one way, obviously.
 

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Yes there are all sorts of stories in social media and on the internet. It is a question of individual judgement what credibility and importance that you attach to them. I am trying to understand comments made by yourself and tavyred which at the moment do not add up for me. Thanks for the response.

As for the quoting from the internet remark. I see USA politics purely through the prism of the media. I claim no special knowledge.
I can't speak for Tavy but for me i see a very divided country and last night's debacle proved that. I do believe that Antifa on one side have some very nasty people in their ranks hell bent on violence and it has been showed all over the media/internet (Like you this is where i get all my info on too) Someone on here once said to me in a reply that the violence/protests over the past few months has been "A few broken windows" that is certainly not the case, Businesses, Livelihoods have been ruined and the commuinties Antifa are suppose to support are bearing the brunt of this violence, How does that make sense?

On the other side we have the odious alt-right which after last night have been emboldened by a President who said, Instead of condemming them, "Stand back, Stand by" to anyone that gives these thugs legitimacy and has already been put as a banner on websites, Biden should of condemmed Antifa too but shyed away from it and as said on here earlier today, If that is the choice the US have then god help them, You said the Democrats had good people in their ranks so why did they chose a 78 yr old who really should be thinking about retiring rather than take up the most stressful job in the world and a possible second choice for them was Bernie Sanders? Those good people in the Democrats you talk about are very poor at the choices they make imho.

You only have to see that in a country where bearing arms is a right and that people can openly carry assult rifles without others taking a second glance makes it a powederkeg over there and wouldn't take much for real violence to start, The right over there are using this as a fight for survival, their rights being taken away and the threat of Marxism taking over the States and they are frightened and when they're frightened with guns that makes it a dangerous place.

I will never condone violence on either side, That is not the answer and if others don't like my views then tough. In the middle of all this you have a nation who wants and needs direction, Not just domestically but internationally too, On the home front they need housing, Affordable healthcare, Decent public school education, A chance to get on in life but they're not getting this, Not only from Trump but in the Obama era too, The poverty in Democratic run cities is a disgrace and these are the things that need sorting, For years the ordainary American on the street has been ignored, Sound familier? That is why in 2016 Trump was elected.
 

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I can't speak for Tavy but for me i see a very divided country and last night's debacle proved that. I do believe that Antifa on one side have some very nasty people in their ranks hell bent on violence and it has been showed all over the media/internet (Like you this is where i get all my info on too) Someone on here once said to me in a reply that the violence/protests over the past few months has been "A few broken windows" that is certainly not the case, Businesses, Livelihoods have been ruined and the commuinties Antifa are suppose to support are bearing the brunt of this violence, How does that make sense?

On the other side we have the odious alt-right which after last night have been emboldened by a President who said, Instead of condemming them, "Stand back, Stand by" to anyone that gives these thugs legitimacy and has already been put as a banner on websites, Biden should of condemmed Antifa too but shyed away from it and as said on here earlier today, If that is the choice the US have then god help them, You said the Democrats had good people in their ranks so why did they chose a 78 yr old who really should be thinking about retiring rather than take up the most stressful job in the world and a possible second choice for them was Bernie Sanders? Those good people in the Democrats you talk about are very poor at the choices they make imho.

You only have to see that in a country where bearing arms is a right and that people can openly carry assult rifles without others taking a second glance makes it a powederkeg over there and wouldn't take much for real violence to start, The right over there are using this as a fight for survival, their rights being taken away and the threat of Marxism taking over the States and they are frightened and when they're frightened with guns that makes it a dangerous place.

I will never condone violence on either side, That is not the answer and if others don't like my views then tough. In the middle of all this you have a nation who wants and needs direction, Not just domestically but internationally too, On the home front they need housing, Affordable healthcare, Decent public school education, A chance to get on in life but they're not getting this, Not only from Trump but in the Obama era too, The poverty in Democratic run cities is a disgrace and these are the things that need sorting, For years the ordainary American on the street has been ignored, Sound familier? That is why in 2016 Trump was elected.

You think you're the only one who doesn't condone violence? Wow, that's Mother Theresa on steroids...
 

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Nobody responsible wants violence but 'not condoning violence' is a catch-all.

Black protest in the US has been overwhelmingly peaceful for decades and they've suffered cracked heads and worse on peaceful marches, lynchings, church bombings, Jim Crow laws, housing discrimination - the list goes on.

There was a perfectly peaceful demonstration in 2016 (taking the knee) which was corrupted by the American right wing and Republican Party as 'disrespecting our troops'.

Most of the steps that were taken to evolve into the democracy we have today employed violence.
The suffragettes used violence to get equal rights for women.
British history is full of violent incidents and rioting to achieve what we now think of as basic rights.

The ANC used violence in the process of overcoming apartheid.

To just say 'I would never condone violence' ignores real world situations and context.

People who do not wish violence will condone violence if its use can be reasoned.
Spanish civil war.
Confronting anti-semitic British fascists in Cable Street.
French resistance.
Warsaw ghetto.
Romanian revolution....

We have a volunteer military trained and prepared to use violence.

I think the violence at BLM protests is counter productive.
It plays into Trump's ludicrous 'law and order' con.
It often wrecks the neighbourhoods and businesses of the communities themselves.
It allows the BLM message to be distorted by its opponents.
It allows for provocation and more violence under the guise of 'maintaining order'.
It deepens resentment and division.

But the false equation being energetically promoted is protests = violence.
There have been protests in the US virtually everyday in almost every city - the vast majority entirely peaceful.
 
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An interesting point from Spoonz.

If there hadn't been rioting at the Poll Tax demo in 1990, would we still be paying it now? Would Thatcher had 5 or more years in power? Would John Major have happened? Would Tony Blair have been PM?

A lot of questions there.

If there had been significant rioting at the otherwise peaceful Iraq War demo in 2003, would Tony Blair have changed his mind?

If you really need to make your point and be listened to, sometimes you have to go the extra mile.
 
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