Gazza on the Piers Morgan Show

[mfcrocker]

You can blame the alcohol if you like, but I like my booze and when ****** I don't become a ***** nor do I beat my wife. If I ever got looked over at work, I wouldn't go running into the stationery cupboard and trash it.

This is a good point. It's recently been proved that violence is not a side-effect of alcohol use and is in fact because people think they have a socially acceptable reason to be violent when drunk. It's most likely that Gazza is just a *****.

That said, addiction is a mental illness and I will bite.

 

[Grecian_Jay]

This is a good point. It's recently been proved that violence is not a side-effect of alcohol use and is in fact because people think they have a socially acceptable reason to be violent when drunk. It's most likely that Gazza is just a *****.

That said, addiction is a mental illness and I will bite.

Theres a surprise. It is an illness for the weak.

Saying "But I'm an alcoholic I can't help it, I need a drink" is a bit like saying "I can't find any jobs out there". Try hard enough and there is always a way out.

 

[Sprocket]

This is a good point. It's recently been proved that violence is not a side-effect of alcohol use.

Really? I find that very hard to believe. Alcohol impairs judgement and reduces inhibitions, such that someone who would not normally react violently in a situation when sober chooses to do so when drunk.

I appreciate that you could spin it a certain way, but I'd be amazed if the vast majority of educated medical opinion did not point to violence as a clear side-effect of alcohol use.

 

[Willy Nilly]

There's also no reason why being and ***** and being an addict are mutually exclusive.

 

[Grecian_Jay]

There's also no reason why being and ***** and being an addict are mutually exclusive.

Exactly, Spacky isn't an addict.

 

[Willy Nilly]

Gazza is a ***** and also an addict.

 

[les.gtfc]

I'll always have Gazza to thank for my favourite ever England moment though. I was at Wembley in Euro 96 when he scored that goal against Scotland.

My second favourite ever England moment came a few days later on - Stuart Pearce's reaction when he scored that penalty against Spain.

All that was surpassed though a couple of years later in 1998 as my all-time footballing moment ever was seeing my team walk out at Wembley for the first time ever.

 

[mfcrocker]

Really? I find that very hard to believe. Alcohol impairs judgement and reduces inhibitions, such that someone who would not normally react violently in a situation when sober chooses to do so when drunk.

I appreciate that you could spin it a certain way, but I'd be amazed if the vast majority of educated medical opinion did not point to violence as a clear side-effect of alcohol use.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15265317

Theres a surprise. It is an illness for the weak.

Saying "But I'm an alcoholic I can't help it, I need a drink" is a bit like saying "I can't find any jobs out there". Try hard enough and there is always a way out.

I did not claim that there isn't a level of moral responsibility, but it is definitely a mental illness and to claim otherwise is a horrible lack of empathy. No shock from you.

Note I am very specifically not calling it a disease, nor am I saying that there isn't fault in the alcoholic. I am saying it isn't solely a willpower issue.

 

[Grecian_Jay]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15265317



I did not claim that there isn't a level of moral responsibility, but it is definitely a mental illness and to claim otherwise is a horrible lack of empathy. No shock from you.

Note I am very specifically not calling it a disease, nor am I saying that there isn't fault in the alcoholic. I am saying it isn't solely a willpower issue.

And as usual you are wrong but keep going, maybe even post some brilliant link to a government survey r something like usual.

 

[mfcrocker]

And as usual you are wrong but keep going, maybe even post some brilliant link to a government survey r something like usual.

Close, have something from Stanford University you won't read instead: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mental-illness/#WhePeoMenIllResForSymBeh

Also just as a quick note, just going "you're wrong" without any reasoning makes you look like a proper thickie. Just saying, like.