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tavyred

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Hardly. McKenzie is saying he didn't leak the information, Shapps is claiming that he did but has come up with nothing whatsoever to substantiate his claim. Mindful that journos don't reveal their sources, if indeed there was a leak, how on earth could Shapps know who was responsible? If the Road Haulage Association were to undertake some kind of investigation then it may be conceivable that they could deduce where the alleged leak had come from. What I can't comprehend is how Shapps can say with such certainty that McKenzie has leaked news from a meeting he wasn't even at. I had hoped you might be able to offer a suggestion as to how this might have occurred but, plainly, you're every bit as stumped as I am!


You said: 'Rumour has it, the top man of the RHA is a former BBC man, who is/was an avowed remainer. Mr McKenzie denies the accusation of course.'

Given this was a paragraph in its entirety and you referred to Mr McKenzie denying 'the accusation' [singular], I took this to refer to the accusation he is / was 'an avowed remainer.' Do, please, point me to the bit I 'literally deleted' where you expressly said 'McKenzie denies the claims against him by Shapps' because I'm damned if I can see it. Alternatively, you might want to apologise for talking veritable ******** [again]. Thanks.
Yep.
I can see now how you could’ve got the wrong end of the stick. Apologies.
I still don’t see why I personally have to justify Shapps accusation. I quoted Shapps accusation and for balance stated that McKenzie denied the story.
What’s the problem?
As an aside, can I suggest you adopt a less abrasive tone Egg?
 

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And so Andy MacDonald resigns from Labour's front bench saying, amongst many other things, "our movement is more divided than ever".

And he's not wrong. Starmer's Labour is a mess. Not entirely his fault and bit of an impossible task bring that all that rabble together, but it's just one more thing Kier didn't need right now.
Lots of hard left disquiet that SKS made a series of promises to get their votes in the leadership election which he is now slowly distancing himself from. The nationalising of the energy companies being one.
He needs a belter of a speech on Wednesday.
 

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I still don’t see why I personally have to justify Shapps accusation.
Of course, you don't have to.

But, if, for instance, Keir Starmer were to claim that Boris Johnson was a Russian agent then I imagine you'd be keen to know what he was basing his assertion on.

In this instance, Shapps has made an entirely unsubstantiated claim. Given your willingness to take him at his word, I thought you might, at the very least, be able to offer a suggestion as to how he could have come to know who was responsible for the alleged leak.
 

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On the topic of the numpties queuing for fuel, Listening to LBC they had reporters (Of course) at various fuel station asking those in the queue what they thought of it all etc, Answers ranged from letting Health workers queue jump, Which the reporter pointed out the irony that by being in the queue they were causing the panic buying to interviewing a person who heard over the day about it and thought she just needed to fuel up, Even though she has 3/4 tank in her car already, People are numpties I'm afraid, They were probably the same people buying bog roll last year.
 

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Lots of hard left disquiet that SKS made a series of promises to get their votes in the leadership election which he is now slowly distancing himself from. The nationalising of the energy companies being one.
He needs a belter of a speech on Wednesday.
I would like to see a speech on par with Kinnock back in the 80's when he confronted Millitant head on, Still took over a decade to get back to power but to me that was the first step and unlike back then i can't see Johnson being as embeded as Thatcher was.
 

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I suspect this was done to death a few years back, but despite being for a no deal Brexit it does appear (anecdotally to me at least) that some of these issues are beginning to become apparent.


I'm alright, my car doesn't use petrol or diesel it runs on sovereignty and I've got plenty of it.
 

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PM made me laugh today, they literally started the program by asking a woman why people were filling up and she replied "because they are morons".
 

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I chuckled the other day at Tesco when I was filling up and I asked the attendant how much they had left. She said "hardly anything because of these dickheads" whilst pointing at the queue, without a shred of acknowledgement on her face that I was also one of the people who had just queued up. Brilliant.
 

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In RaWZ we trust....Amen.
Good on Angie-baby for saying it like it is! We need to see a bit of real passion from the "opposition" rather than the increasingly craven kow-towing by SKS.
The problem G2K is that it overshadowed the start of the Conference,the Leaders first since his election(Cancelled last year)
It is not a great look from a deputy leader.The comments will resonate with certain sections on Twitter & the like but will alienate voters that Labour need to get back onside in crucial swing seats.She was no doubt playing to a echo chamber crowd at the Conference.Got to be better than that.
I noticed that Angela Reynor doubled down on her comments today despite what her boss said yesterday,it’s just digging a bigger hole,showing poor judgement.The problem for Starmer is she is untouchable after the debacle following the Hartlepool by-election defeat.

Whatever anyone thinks of Sir Keir,it’s vital for all of us whatever anyone’s political colour,that the country gets a functioning opposition very soon.Its pretty one sided at the moment despite monumental c*ck ups from the government.

BJ struts the world stage fooling everyone,whilst the main opposition story is infighting with a few crass remarks from its deputy.

On a positive note for Labour,I thought Rachel Reeves delivered a good speech today to counter some of the negative headlines in the past 36 hours.
 
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