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tavyred

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The collapse in the traditional Labour vote oop North is not part of some airy fairy “narrative” that people like me find “comforting”, it’s a reality.
What is yet to be realised is whether your man Sir Keir is the right man to revive Labour’s fortunes. You think he is, it remains to be seen if your unrealised “comforting narrative” will trump mine and Jinxy’s reality.
 

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The collapse in the traditional Labour vote oop North is not part of some airy fairy “narrative” that people like me find “comforting”, it’s a reality.
What is yet to be realised is whether your man Sir Keir is the right man to revive Labour’s fortunes. You think he is, it remains to be seen if your unrealised “comforting narrative” will trump mine and Jinxy’s reality.
I wasn't talking about the "collapse" (aka decline over the last couple of decades) of the Labour vote in the north of England, but your caricaturing of the Labour Party as a group of middle class intellectuals who have abandoned the working class in favour of amassing votes from young, rootless city dwellers. There were a few naive idiots, mainly new members recruited in the Corbyn/Momentum period, who proposed this strategy, but their very brief time in the sun is over.

Have you bumped into Pete Edwards or Phil Bialyk recently? I'm sure they'd confirm your impression of what the Labour Party has become and how far it has travelled from its working class roots
 

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Meanwhile more Trumpian/Johnsonian/Putinesque behaviour from the SNP


All politicians are equal, some more than others
 

tavyred

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I wasn't talking about the "collapse" (aka decline over the last couple of decades) of the Labour vote in the north of England, but your caricaturing of the Labour Party as a group of middle class intellectuals who have abandoned the working class in favour of amassing votes from young, rootless city dwellers. There were a few naive idiots, mainly new members recruited in the Corbyn/Momentum period, who proposed this strategy, but their very brief time in the sun is over.

Have you bumped into Pete Edwards or Phil Bialyk recently? I'm sure they'd confirm your impression of what the Labour Party has become and how far it has travelled from its working class roots
Any early signs yet of the great Labour fightback in its traditional heartlands art?
 

tavyred

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Yes. 11% swing in recent polling.
Really?
I posted a poll a week or so ago which gave Labour a not insignificant lead, I see there’s a couple of polls out this weekend which were giving Labour a small leads but have turned the Tories way again.
I’m not sure there’s the signs of the significant change in public opinion that Labour requires visible quite yet.
With the set piece of the Autumn statement this week, it has the potential at least to be a good week for the government. We’ll see.
 

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Anyone who treats the polls as an accurate gauge of how people will vote in an election which will not be held for another four years really is in lah lah land. Firstly, even if the election was a month away you couldn't trust the polls , and secondly there is too much water to flow under the bridge for a poll to be truly representative of what will happen in the future . Polls schmolls. Of course, this refers to both parties.
 

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Regarding, Starmer, it is far too early to say if he would make a good P.M or not.
Let's face it, a lot of people thought Borisse would make a good P.M. (😅😅😅) and they were wrong. Until a P.M is in his post and has to face challenges there is no way of knowing. Starmer could make a good P.M or not. At least he is not into cronyism, Dom Juanism, flights of fancy, hiding away from the public, diversion, evadion, hesitancy, self-doubt, Etonism and various other weaknesses. "Solid" is the word, not fake buffoonery and pseudo Churchillian claptrap which the public no longer find inspirational in his case. The public are gradually seeing through the vacuous populism of those leaders who have a nice cover but blank pages.
 

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TORIES AT IT AGAIN : Tying to pressure the judge in the Elphick case. Tut tut. Don't they ever learn..

"The head of the judiciary has admonished six Tory parliamentarians for seeking to influence a judge overseeing a hearing this week on whether references written in support of the former MP Charlie Elphicke can be made public.

The six wrote last week to senior judges, copying in the judge who will oversee the hearing on Wednesday, expressing concern that “matters of principle” should first be considered by senior members of the judiciary and by parliament........."
 
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