Is it time for serious changes at the club

[edwin_price]

There is another way

Go ahead mate, the floor is yours. Try to describe it without using words like belief, ambition, fear, etc. Imagine you live in a world where everyone agrees that a good football team is desirable and its only the plan thats to be debated. Go on... What's the grand plan?

 

[DB9]

But it happens every time this debate comes up

I know it does but TBF quite a few that attend SJP do support bigger clubs and i'd imagine that goes for a lot of lower league clubs, Just the nature of the beast when its thrown down you neck all the time (Except during this crisis)

 

[LOG]

What's the grand plan?

If it involves Noel Edmonds, Chris Martin, Joss Stone, steak dinners or Dick (or is it Dom?) them i'm oot.

 

[edwin_price]

This is spot on. The cult lives in fear, like all cults. It is not a healthy way of thinking and is damning all City fans to permanent mediocrity.

I've a brilliant plan, but its under wraps for now. All you have to know is that you have to believe. Also, you need to be prepared to be a bit less careful with your money. And all those who are skeptical are in a cult.

Alright mate.

 

[fred binneys head]

Go ahead mate, the floor is yours. Try to describe it without using words like belief, ambition, fear, etc. Imagine you live in a world where everyone agrees that a good football team is desirable and its only the plan thats to be debated. Go on... What's the grand plan?

It will be attracting private investment whilst also retaining trust ownership. It would be good if someone who believed that would work would stand for election and see if they can effect change. But they won’t.

 

[grecIAN Harris]

Go ahead mate, the floor is yours. Try to describe it without using words like belief, ambition, fear, etc. Imagine you live in a world where everyone agrees that a good football team is desirable and its only the plan thats to be debated. Go on... What's the grand plan?

I've never pretended to be some commercial genius but there has to be ways that The Trust can make it's income work in terms of investments etc because if you're not going to raise the subs rate, even if it's only in line with inflation, then how do you think you're going to keep The Trust afloat never mind backing the club with the finances it needs. I suggested years back about investing in housing. It might not be the best/viable idea but it gives you the notion of what I mean by trying to make the funds work to increase the pot. It's something that should have been started years ago because, as I said a couple of posts back, it will take time to develop. There are people out there with more dynamic ideas that will come to fruition quicker but you're all so scared that you're talking to the next Russell and Lewis you won't even look them in the eye let alone entertain a conversation with without being instantly dismissive.
As for LOG's throwaway about using the odd 'star' here or there to raise The Trust profile, get people interested in it again, then why not (just out of curiosity, what's the steak dinner reference all about)?

 

[edwin_price]

I've never pretended to be some commercial genius but there has to be ways that The Trust can make it's income work in terms of investments etc because if you're not going to raise the subs rate, even if it's only in line with inflation, then how do you think you're going to keep The Trust afloat never mind backing the club with the finances it needs. I suggested years back about investing in housing. It might not be the best/viable idea but it gives you the notion of what I mean by trying to make the funds work to increase the pot. It's something that should have been started years ago because, as I said a couple of posts back, it will take time to develop. There are people out there with more dynamic ideas that will come to fruition quicker but you're all so scared that you're talking to the next Russell and Lewis you won't even look them in the eye let alone entertain a conversation with without being instantly dismissive.
As for LOG's throwaway about using the odd 'star' here or there to raise The Trust profile, get people interested in it again, then why not (just out of curiosity, what's the steak dinner reference all about)?

OK, so your idea is to not be scared and hope someone more clever thinks of a good idea and then does it.

Thanks.

Sounds like Ed Gallois might be your man. He says he's got a plan and says he's clever. Don't know what his plan is, like.

 

[fred binneys head]

What ‘investments’ do you think the trust has, Ian?

 

[IndoMike]

Small "p" politics in the sense of people manoeuvring to advantage themself or a group they belong to is never limited to "Politics". It's been a key driver in every business and non-business organisation I've been associated with over 50 years, and throughout human history from stone age tribes to world empires. People who don't get their own way often blame it on other people "playing politics". They often just mean different or more successful politics from theirs.

That said, it's a ***** when the people own on a business and the directors they appoint to run the company want to decided how it is run, rather than one employee.

Tis was the manger of the team, a good one but not the owner - and was actually and quite sensibly allowed a very strong input into the business decision making. He was also allowed to commute from a very long distance, given great freedom and allowed to create a personality image around himself. He was very astute in getting the club to offer him a rolling contract, of course, but was clearly affronted when the owners decided to change the nature of his contract by serving notice, in accordance with its terms.

He could have resigned then, indeed IIRC made noises about that, but did nothing. He has absolutely no cause to whine. He was paid a very handsome salary for 12 years, was very good at first and got us promoted twice in his early period but thereafter had at best only moderate success, signed some dreadful players as well as some good ones, promoted some good youngsters but not others.

In the words of Terry Jones, "He's not the Messiah..."

Your interpretation matches mine.
Really interesting listening to those podcasts. He certainly has a complex personality. The funny thing is that he still thinks that wearing his Ted Baker Sunday best is the reason why beat Leeds Utd at home

 

[i8cornwall]

It will be attracting private investment whilst also retaining trust ownership. It would be good if someone who believed that would work would stand for election and see if they can effect change. But they won’t.

That person wouldn’t get voted onto the trust board if reading this thread is anything to go by.