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Phil Sayers

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There is nothing unusual about Ukraine toppling that communications mast in Russia and certainly no cause for panic. This will scarcely register at all on the Putin anger Richter scale - in contrast with obliterating most of a Crimean airbase last week which must be a solid eight out of ten for anger. Russia didn't do anything about that (amusingly they initially blamed a discarded cigarette!) and won't do anything about this save for possibly launching another wave of terrorist cruise missile strikes on residential areas of Kyiv. In fact even their ability to do that is being steadily diminished as they are running out of cruise missiles, having to now repurpose 1960s nuclear tipped anti-shipping missiles as land attack missiles with conventional warheads whose accuracy just about allows selecting "Kyiv" as the rough target area. Why don't they do more in response? Because, there isn't really much they can do - "If you don't stop, we'll invade!" has kind of lost its effectiveness as a threat....

Prior Ukrainian attacks on Russian soil have ranged from cross-border special forces raids blowing up railway bridges, to Tochka ballistic missile strikes on ammo dumps, to cross-border drone attacks including the assassination of FSB agents. Most dramatic of all was probably this helicopter attack on an oil refinery:


Given the Russians didn't / couldn't do anything about that massive slap in the face they won't can't do anything much about this either. Also, there is nothing much unusual about the West arming Ukraine to fight Russia. Soviet military advisers seconded to the North Vietnamese army actually manned SAM batteries and pressed the launch buttons that downed US aircraft. Spetnaz also sometimes fought on the ground including in a raid on a US airbase in South Vietnam that resulted in them destroying several US helicopters and carting another one off for close inspection in Moscow. That level of direct Soviet combat involvement (and vast supplies) in a war which killed tens of thousands of US troops did not cause any concern about WW3 breaking out and nor did the US remotely contemplate retaliating against the USSR for it.
 

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Another 'smoking accident' deep in occupied Crimea:


Toppling a communications mast in a remote corner of Russia won't bother Putin, this very public fireworks display exposing an evident inability to protect 'Fortress Crimea' will enrage him. Still not much he can do about it though....
 

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In a recent news article - Putin will support his allies with any latest weaponry they require..

Can't help but think he's going to support NKorea with the build of Nuclear Weapons.

Sad times ahead if he does.
 

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In a recent news article - Putin will support his allies with any latest weaponry they require..

Can't help but think he's going to support NKorea with the build of Nuclear Weapons.

Sad times ahead if he does.
Putin can't even support his own army with the latest weaponry in Ukraine, He is reportedly using aging and not very accurate missles, They still can do damage but not at their intended targets, As for supporting NK, I think China will have something to say about that, They are NK's nearest neighbour and really only trade partner and as I've said in the past China and Russia are not natural allies, Their only bond is a "Hatred" to the West and NATO.

Most of Putin's speeches are for the domestic market, He has to say these things because he started all this and want's to save face and blame the West/NATO, When the Soviets left Afghanistan it was the mothers of soldiers that put the pressure on the Kremlin to leave, That could be the scenario this time, He can't hide the real death toll of soldiers forever. I'm hoping and praying those near Putin will put a stop to this sometime soon (Wishful thinking i know)
 

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Putin can't even support his own army with the latest weaponry in Ukraine, He is reportedly using aging and not very accurate missles, They still can do damage but not at their intended targets, As for supporting NK, I think China will have something to say about that, They are NK's nearest neighbour and really only trade partner and as I've said in the past China and Russia are not natural allies, Their only bond is a "Hatred" to the West and NATO.

Most of Putin's speeches are for the domestic market, He has to say these things because he started all this and want's to save face and blame the West/NATO, When the Soviets left Afghanistan it was the mothers of soldiers that put the pressure on the Kremlin to leave, That could be the scenario this time, He can't hide the real death toll of soldiers forever. I'm hoping and praying those near Putin will put a stop to this sometime soon (Wishful thinking i know)
He's not smart intellectually : but he's sly.
 

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Easier for Russia to say "Act of Sabotage" rather than admit Ukraine has the capability to target inside Crimea?
 

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Putin's problem is that if his army is pushed back (a big "if") he might lose some of his external supporters. Nobody wants to be associated with a loser.
Don't think there's any way he can win this war: at best it will be the long haul with tens of thousands of his soldiers dying.
His bet that the West would step aside has only partly materialised.
 

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They still can do damage but not at their intended targets
You are being too charitable - they are doing damage exactly to their intended targets because the intended target is often just "Kyiv" or "Kharkiv". For every missile they send which is actually trying to hit e.g a Ukranian military base they are sending two more that they don't really care where they hit provided they cause terror.
 

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You are being too charitable - they are doing damage exactly to their intended targets because the intended target is often just "Kyiv" or "Kharkiv". For every missile they send which is actually trying to hit e.g a Ukranian military base they are sending two more that they don't really care where they hit provided they cause terror.
True enough and compounded by the fact that Putin has no qualms about levelling civilian areas - see images from Chechnya, Georgia, Syria ...

Ukraine will be getting positional help from the US who have spy satellites accurate to 10cm per pixel.
If Russia is moving and storing munitions you can be sure they are being filmed from above.
 

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If the Russian military banned smoking they would have a lot more bombs - another unfortunate accident, this time in Russia proper:

 
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