UK Lockdown

[tavyred]

I don't understand when it is said that the people that have died were people that would have died anyway. Yet this is only from the number of people that were infected. Not everyone has been infected and if they were, the numbers would be massively higher wouldn't they?

It is said a sizeable percentage of deaths were people in end of life care.
Like seasonal flu this virus would’ve carried off lots of people who were battling with other conditions as well. My own father who had been a nursing home for 7 years with Alzheimer’s and getting progressively weaker caught a bug, contracted pneumonia and died in January 2018. His death certificate did not mention Alzheimer’s as cause of death. I have a feeling that when in 12 months excess deaths are calculated the picture will be slightly less dreadful for the UK. That doesn’t detract from the fact that we have been hit hard and that mistakes may have been made in our response.

 

[geoffwp]

It is said a sizeable percentage of deaths were people in end of life care.
Like seasonal flu this virus would’ve carried off lots of people who were battling with other conditions as well. My own father who had been a nursing home for 7 years with Alzheimer’s and getting progressively weaker caught a bug, contracted pneumonia and died in January 2018. His death certificate did not mention Alzheimer’s as cause of death. I have a feeling that when in 12 months excess deaths are calculated the picture will be slightly less dreadful for the UK. That doesn’t detract from the fact that we have been hit hard and that mistakes may have been made in our response.

I think we will be wrangling over those figures for years to come, decades even. It will, inevitably i guess, become less and less of a health issue and increasingly a political issue. A shame really because the virus doesnt appear to discriminate between conservative or socialist, leave or remain. Likely it's killed as many from one side as the other. Shame as well because it will likely mean that any future plans to react to any future pandemic will become politicised. When was the last time politics cured anyone of a life threatening illness? Personally I'm not too interested in apportioning blame for this aspect or that decision in those early stages. What I'd like to see is a cross party investigation into what happened, what worked well, what didn't and how we can be better prepared in future, because one thing is for sure, something like this will inevitably happen again.

 

[tavyred]

I have sensed over the last three months or so that the public generally have not wanted this crisis to be politicised in anyway, although you do get the odd zealot chiming in. Starmer to his credit has not sought to make political capital out of a global health crisis, although I expect that will change and quite rightly when we finally get on the right side of this issue.
I think the broadcast news media with their over negative and adversarial coverage totally misjudged that public mood, especially at the height of the virus in and around Easter time. It’s not surprising then that public trust in that sector of the media is at an all time low.
Plenty of time for the wholly necessary post-mortem when the time is right.

 

[elginCity]

Police have not been policing though.

They're not quite sure how to enforce 'guidance'.

 

[iscalad]

They're not quite sure how to enforce 'guidance'.

Ask the scouts.

 

[Mr Jinx]

It is said a sizeable percentage of deaths were people in end of life care.
Like seasonal flu this virus would’ve carried off lots of people who were battling with other conditions as well. My own father who had been a nursing home for 7 years with Alzheimer’s and getting progressively weaker caught a bug, contracted pneumonia and died in January 2018. His death certificate did not mention Alzheimer’s as cause of death. I have a feeling that when in 12 months excess deaths are calculated the picture will be slightly less dreadful for the UK. That doesn’t detract from the fact that we have been hit hard and that mistakes may have been made in our response.

Yes, exactly this.

The only person we know to have died of it, the father of a good friend, had actually been at death's door twice already this year before CV got him in his care home come early April; the straw that broke the camel's back.

He wouldn't have made the year out anyway had CV not come along, but there he is making up one of the number.

There were estimates that around 70% of CV victims were in the same boat, i.e. would've died within the next year regardless.

 

[Mr Jinx]

"According to a report for Sky News, further local lockdowns similar to the one in force in Leicester could be “just days away”. There are 36 local authority areas where the number of coronavirus cases is growing, Sky reports, and it claims that “the City of Bradford and boroughs in London, including Brent and Harrow, could be the next to lockdown”.

mmm...now what links Leicester, Bradford, Brent & Harrow...let me see....mmm

 

[DB9]

"According to a report for Sky News, further local lockdowns similar to the one in force in Leicester could be “just days away”. There are 36 local authority areas where the number of coronavirus cases is growing, Sky reports, and it claims that “the City of Bradford and boroughs in London, including Brent and Harrow, could be the next to lockdown”.

mmm...now what links Leicester, Bradford, Brent & Harrow...let me see....mmm

Oh go on, Tell me!

 

[Hants_red]

Plenty of people popping in and buying toilet paper and paracetamol this morning. What's happened?

 

[IndoMike]

Parts of Kent, London, north Wales and Scotland are still battling significant Covid-19 outbreaks, sparking fears from scientists and public health directors that Leicester’s return to lockdown is set to be repeated.

Seems that the second wave is coming to various parts of the country, regardless of the locations of demos or demography. .
It had to happen as soon as the lockdown was relaxed. The hope is that the 2nd wave is not so serious as the first