Pete Martin (CTID)
Very well known Exeweb poster
Derailing the thread a tad, but, whilst we're on the subject of sacking football managers, I thought this is quite an informative bit of info. HERE
Nothing but nothing will change the mindset unless 7 individuals stand together on a united platform with an aim to give the BOS some teeth and do whatever is necessary to ensure the present mismanagement both off field and on field is dealt with and brought to an end. This is a once only opportunity if it is not taken up it is highly unlikely to occur again.I don't think it matters that the decision to run has been brought on wholly or partly by the failures you point to. The failure of the Trust Board to properly control the Club Board is its biggest and most fundamental failure IMO. That is a perfectly respectable reason to stand and is not a reaction simply to the perceived failures of Tisdale and Tagg. In addition, if Tisdale had appropriate performance targets and was aware of the consequences of failure it might lead to him sharpen up his act. All too cosy at present. In view of the contract arrangements it would prmobably not be that easy to remove Tisdale anyway without acting reasonably in a step by step approach.
I have no doubt that you are wholly correct that it will need a united group to stand and get elected to have any chance of forcing change.With seven places up for grabs it is possible that some of the retiring incumbents will stand again and on past form they will be more likely to win than newcomers, particularly those wanting fundamental change.Nothing but nothing will change the mindset unless 7 individuals stand together on a united platform with an aim to give the BOS some teeth and do whatever is necessary to ensure the present mismanagement both off field and on field is dealt with and brought to an end. This is a once only opportunity if it is not taken up it is highly unlikely to occur again.
Believe me the odd one or two individuals whether they stand together or not will not by themselves have the proverbial cat in hells chance of changing anything.
Fair enough.I don't think it matters that the decision to run has been brought on wholly or partly by the failures you point to. The failure of the Trust Board to properly control the Club Board is its biggest and most fundamental failure IMO. That is a perfectly respectable reason to stand and is not a reaction simply to the perceived failures of Tisdale and Tagg. In addition, if Tisdale had appropriate performance targets and was aware of the consequences of failure it might lead to him sharpen up his act. All too cosy at present. In view of the contract arrangements it would probably not be that easy to remove Tisdale anyway without acting reasonably in a step by step approach.
I know we haven't seen eye to eye on everything by any means. However, the fact that you now acknowledge the nature and potential seriousness of the situation should lead others to the same conclusion. This cannot be addressed in a knee jerk way, it needs consistency. We should not be hoping that the team loses to maintain momentum, we should continue to be supportive whilst continuing to exert pressure for fundamental change. Many feel that joining the current Trust board setup would be close to pointless and will not stand as a consequence. I don't know enough about the constitution but most likely, it has all sorts of ways to block what some might regard as disruptive influences. The only solution is to clear out the moribund remains of the current board before trying to encourage a younger more radical group of people, who are not stymied at every stage by the "old guard"Given the complete, total and utter ineffectiveness of the Trust board at any form of governance whatsoever, perhaps it would be better to field no candidates at all as a vote of no confidence in the BOS itself.
If Dibley Parish Council meeting spending hour upon hour discussing procedure, which village team needs our help becoming a Trust and what important press releases Supporters' Direct have just made are your bag then by all means join up and knock yourself out, but while Nero fiddles while Rome burns we need to be a little more serious and pro-active than a village fete committee worried whether farmer Giles we let them use his field again this year and whose turn it is to judge the misshaped vegetable competition.
There's a lot more change required than just personnel.
Are you going to stand Malc? I know you get a bit of kicking on here for being a natural born cynic, but it is trait that is sorely in need because the Trust just seems to rubberstamp anything the club comes up with.I know we haven't seen eye to eye on everything by any means. However, the fact that you now acknowledge the nature and potential seriousness of the situation should lead others to the same conclusion. This cannot be addressed in a knee jerk way, it needs consistency. We should not be hoping that the team loses to maintain momentum, we should continue to be supportive whilst continuing to exert pressure for fundamental change. Many feel that joining the current Trust board setup would be close to pointless and will not stand as a consequence. I don't know enough about the constitution but most likely, it has all sorts of ways to block what some might regard as disruptive influences. The only solution is to clear out the moribund remains of the current board before trying to encourage a younger more radical group of people, who are not stymied at every stage by the "old guard"
That is patently not the case Malcolm. What is needed (for any reason and at any time) is Trust Board members prepared to put proposals/motions forward (however uncomfortable) and for a majority to vote in favour. Seriously, that's all it needs. There really is no blocking process. The minority might get a tad upset, but c'est la vie.I know we haven't seen eye to eye on everything by any means. However, the fact that you now acknowledge the nature and potential seriousness of the situation should lead others to the same conclusion. This cannot be addressed in a knee jerk way, it needs consistency. We should not be hoping that the team loses to maintain momentum, we should continue to be supportive whilst continuing to exert pressure for fundamental change. Many feel that joining the current Trust board setup would be close to pointless and will not stand as a consequence. I don't know enough about the constitution but most likely, it has all sorts of ways to block what some might regard as disruptive influences. The only solution is to clear out the moribund remains of the current board before trying to encourage a younger more radical group of people, who are not stymied at every stage by the "old guard"