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Have a penalty competition every day in training and whoever comes out on top for that week takes a penalty if we get one.
 

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In my time I always stood totally still until the ball was struck; I never dived prematurely to take a chance that the taker would shoot the same way that I dived. I did reasonably well waiting until the ball was actually hit, and I see no sense in the modern day guesswork. I certainly wouldn't let the penalty taker send me the wrong way by any action he took during the run-up. The only reason that my stationary technique wouldnt work these days is because it appears that the modern day ball travels twice as fast as in the old days! I dont know why that is, since to my knowledge the size, pressure, and weight of the ball hasnt changed!
 

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In my time I always stood totally still until the ball was struck; I never dived prematurely to take a chance that the taker would shoot the same way that I dived. I did reasonably well waiting until the ball was actually hit, and I see no sense in the modern day guesswork. I certainly wouldn't let the penalty taker send me the wrong way by any action he took during the run-up. The only reason that my stationary technique wouldnt work these days is because it appears that the modern day ball travels twice as fast as in the old days! I dont know why that is, since to my knowledge the size, pressure, and weight of the ball hasnt changed!
The balls are rounder?
 

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Do we practice penalties I wonder?

We seem to have returned to the bad old days of around 6-7 years ago when we couldn't score them for toffee.

I'd give Forte another go - he's 1-2 so far. Otherwise I wonder if the Skip would step up.
We've missed, I think, 5 penalties during games this season and yet won penalty shoot-outs in the Carabou Cup, the Checkatrade nonsense and the Devon Bowl!

Given the effect on his confidence I wouldn't let Pierce take another and Jake seems to have lost his shooting ability this season but other than that I would be hapy to see pretty much any other player take one.
 

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He's a professional footballer, the easiest way to score for a striker should be with a penalty.
Not for all strikers; I'm still haunted by Steve Flack's skied attempt to score a penalty in the FA Cup shoot-out away to Ebbsfleet in our first season in the Conference. From memory that was the only one he took in his ten years at the club.
 

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It's all to do with the surfaces, seams, deformation and reformation on kicking and aerodynamics Pete
https://football-technology.fifa.com/en/blog/aerodynamics-101/
Excellent article Mike. I could be wrong of course, but I get the impression that all that research is aimed at the accuracy of the ball when struck, and not a lot to do with the speed the thing goes at. It beats me. In my minds eye, I'm seeing Len Bond (at SJP v Newcastle) getting patted on the back by the euphoric fans as he starts his run up from the fence to take a goal kick. Thats one hell of a run up, where Len's hope would be to get the ball over the halfway line, ideally in the centre circle!? These days you've got Pym (and most other keepers) taking a run (or walk) up of about 3-4 yards and easily getting the ball past the centre circle! I really dont understand the radical difference, unless modern day keepers are fitter and better developed - Beats me!
 

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Not for all strikers; I'm still haunted by Steve Flack's skied attempt to score a penalty in the FA Cup shoot-out away to Ebbsfleet in our first season in the Conference. From memory that was the only one he took in his ten years at the club.
It couldnt have been as bad as Arnold Mitchells penalty in the 60's where the ball ultimately hit the corner flag! Folklore suggests that Arnie shot so wide that it hit the corner flag directly. In fairness to a real club legend, the shot was very wide, but it hit the corner flag with a wallop after rebounding off of the advertising hoarding!
 

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It couldnt have been as bad as Arnold Mitchells penalty in the 60's where the ball ultimately hit the corner flag! Folklore suggests that Arnie shot so wide that it hit the corner flag directly. In fairness to a real club legend, the shot was very wide, but it hit the corner flag with a wallop after rebounding off of the advertising hoarding!
If it had rebounded off the corner flag and flew back into the net it would have been a goal, right ref?
 

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If it had rebounded off the corner flag and flew back into the net it would have been a goal, right ref?
I did say it came off the hoarding before striking said flag Mike; Your scenario would definitely be one for the rule book though, if it ever happened. I'd say that a goal would be ruled out because of the second touch? I dunno though.
 

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I did say it came off the hoarding before striking said flag Mike; Your scenario would definitely be one for the rule book though, if it ever happened. I'd say that a goal would be ruled out because of the second touch? I dunno though.
Just a very hypothetical question. Ocourse it has never happened in the history of football. Even the great Arnie couldn't do it ;)
 

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In my time I always stood totally still until the ball was struck; I never dived prematurely to take a chance that the taker would shoot the same way that I dived. I did reasonably well waiting until the ball was actually hit, and I see no sense in the modern day guesswork. I certainly wouldn't let the penalty taker send me the wrong way by any action he took during the run-up. The only reason that my stationary technique wouldnt work these days is because it appears that the modern day ball travels twice as fast as in the old days! I dont know why that is, since to my knowledge the size, pressure, and weight of the ball hasnt changed!
Hmmm, wasn't that what Shilton did in the 1990 world cup semi? Waiting until the ball was kicked might have ensured he went the right way every time, but he didn't save any!
 

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Should we persist with Jonathan Forte? Or return to Pierce Sweeney?

We seem to be getting a fair number of penalties this season, so clearly choice of penalty taker is important. My feeling is that we should return to Pierce Sweeney.
Back to the OP I'm afraid and a question..........

Have our misses directly cost us points this year (ie We were 1-0 down then missed and lost)?

Or have their been times it would have given us a better chance (ie We were 1-0 up and missed the chance to go 2up)?
 

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At Bury we were 1-0 down, and taking initiative in the game, the result could have been different.

It would have helped us on Saturday at 0-0.
 

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Back to the OP I'm afraid and a question..........

Have our misses directly cost us points this year (ie We were 1-0 down then missed and lost)?

Or have their been times it would have given us a better chance (ie We were 1-0 up and missed the chance to go 2up)?
Goal difference - not to be scoffed at..
 

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Hmmm, wasn't that what Shilton did in the 1990 world cup semi? Waiting until the ball was kicked might have ensured he went the right way every time, but he didn't save any!
The plus side of standing still until the kick is taken is that you will go the right way (or save easily if they go straight down the middle). The minus side is that you are less able to get to penalties that are placed well into the corners (e.g. Sweeney's penalty at Grimsby wouldn't have been saved by someone not "guessing" and being able to dive full length).

When I'm in sticks and facing a penalty I too will stand still until the kick is taken, which has meant I've not got to some I might have saved if I'd guessed, but also meant I've saved a few I wouldn't have done had I guessed. Swings and roundabouts.
 

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Back to the OP I'm afraid and a question..........

Have our misses directly cost us points this year (ie We were 1-0 down then missed and lost)?

Or have their been times it would have given us a better chance (ie We were 1-0 up and missed the chance to go 2up)?
Potentially two points dropped at Grimsby. 0-0 and we were well on top when Sweeney's pen was saved. Had that gone in I think we'd have ended up winning.
 

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It's quite clear from this thread that some fans have no clue. I was a penalty taker back in the day. You have to decide what you are doing before you start your run up. You go as wide as you can as hard you can and focus on keeping it down. The best penalties are those that go high into the side netting. The keeper has no chance.
 

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You've got to be up for it first off - if you don't fancy taking the penalty on the day then you'll probably miss it. You need a couple of penalty takers in your team and, best of all, the pair of them both wanting to take it.
 
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