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[arthur]

This is more like it. Excellent stuff.

Keir Starmer will pledge to deliver a new era of economic growth and permanently lower energy bills by turning the UK into an independent green “superpower” before 2030, through a massive expansion of wind and solar energy.

Starmer made clear that his alternative approach to boosting growth involved tackling three crises jointly – the climate, the cost of living, and the wider economy

Starmer said that while the Conservatives were indulging in “casino economics” and “gambling the mortgages and finances of every family in the country”, Labour was looking to create a secure future for everyone, both economically and in the face of climate change.

Keir Starmer unveils green growth plan to counter Liz Truss’s tax cuts

Labour pledges a revolution in green energy to ‘boost jobs and slash emissions

www.theguardian.com

 

[arthur]

Anyone else remember this? This is what the Tory Party has now become. Jinx will still insist they will win the next election



"When John Redwood challenged John Major for the Tory leadership in 1995, his supporters were mocked as the ‘ward 8 of Broadmoor’."

 

[arthur]

And Truss' plan to loosen immigration restrictions faces strong opposition from Badenoch and Braverman. What larks...

What think you Tavy?

 

[MJP_Exeter]

As I suggested to you earlier things might change in future fiscal events……

Yep. And again we cannot predict that in the future, Whether it will remain or change, so therefore at this moment these plans have no net benefit for those under £155,000 per annum.

I like dealing with what i see, not with what i may or may not see.

 

[tavyred]

And Truss' plan to loosen immigration restrictions faces strong opposition from Badenoch and Braverman. What larks...

What think you Tavy?

Devil’s in the detail Art, if it’s the dishing out of work visas on a sector by sector basis then no problem, if it’s inviting in all comers again then it’s a different story.
On your earlier point, I’m not sure in a era when the green agenda is being questioned re. it’s ability to provide us with energy security, that Labour’s plan is going capture the imagination in the way you think. Shale gas and nuclear might trump wind and solar in the minds of the electorate at the next GE.
The U.K. is already a wind super power BTW.

 

[Mr Jinx]

Sigh.

Read the ifs analysis. Only those above £155,000 will see a net benefit. I've posted the link twice now

And, like I said before, if the 1p cut to the basic rate is so pointless, let's see Starmer's Labour promise to increase it again at to their Conference this week. Sigh...

 

[tavyred]

Yep. And again we cannot predict that in the future, Whether it will remain or change, so therefore at this moment these plans have no net benefit for those under £155,000 per annum.

I like dealing with what i see, not with what i may or may not see.

Strange logic.
The IFS are speculating on future tax thresholds and saying anyone below £155K will start losing out in 4 years. You do admit that people are actually gaining in the meantime I take it?
Contrary to what you say you seem more focused on speculating about the future than dealing with the here and now.

 

[MJP_Exeter]

And, like I said before, if the 1p cut to the basic rate is so pointless, let's see Starmer's Labour promise to increase it again at to their Conference this week. Sigh...

It gives so little it is almost pointless in fairness. Those earning £1m will essentially earn 3-4 universal credits households worth of additional tax free income in their pay packets where as those on UC or below £155,000 will attain no net benefit on independent analysis of what the policy means thus far.

Is that fair and proportionate?

This policy has been rightly condemned by anyone with a modicum of common sense. At a time when we have severe expenditure and borrowing costs are rising (Not even cheap like a most of the last decade), investors do not want to touch this and are not convinced or happy with it, economists are slamming it as irresponsible and relying on something which is unlikely to turn up, turning up.

 

[elginCity]

……Shale gas and nuclear might trump wind and solar in the minds of the electorate at the next GE.

Fracking and nuclear over wind, solar and nuclear ? OK.

 

[arthur]

On your earlier point, I’m not sure in a era when the green agenda is being questioned re. it’s ability to provide us with energy security, that Labour’s plan is going capture the imagination in the way you think. Shale gas and nuclear might trump wind and solar in the minds of the electorate at the next GE.
The U.K. is already a wind super power BTW.

It's as much about alternative growth plans as about how we generate energy.

Do we grow the economy and provide jobs, wages and generate tax revenues by a structured planned national investment in greening the economy or by giving lots of public money away to mainly rich people hoping that they spend it not on maseratis but on products and services in the UK, assuming they spend it at all?

I know which I think resonates more with the UK electorate, bar the odd exception like Mr J...