General Election - 8thJune

[DB9]

The Nazi party weren't left wing. They may have used 'socialist' in their title but it wasn't an ideology they agreed with, it was a simple appropriation of the term for political capital.
As for American politics, they don't compare to ours. America doesn't really have a left wing as such. The Republicans are probably somewhat right of our Conservatives and the Democrats somewhat akin to middle of the road Conservatives. They'd have a complete fit if anything like Labour existed as a main political party.

Think the closest the Democrats get to the Labour Party is Bernie Sanders

 

[Bittners a Legend]

Not only from the wealthy. The Nazis had a great scam going in the years before the war. They persuaded, through clever advertising, most of the workers to enter into a state savings scheme. The idea was that the hard working German was entitled to a holiday every year. It was something like a mark or two a month (I'm too lazy to find the details) and was subscribed to by the millions. They pulled the same stunt with the Volkswagon, every worker deserved a car etc etc. Naturally, all the funds went into military provision.

I think you're referring to Strength Through Joy.

My point is that the Nazi Party itself, not the state, received a lot of funding from wealth businessman.

I think regardless the Nazi Party can't in any way be viewed as socialist in doctrine or action. Nor were they conservative.

 

[Alistair20000]

I do not think the terms Right Or Left are appropriate to describe Hitler and his Nazis. Irredeemably evil will do for me.

 

[RaeUK]

History is only written by the person writing the book !!

That's why, when you study any history, you read around the alternate views to gain as independent and unbiased a conclusion as is possible.

 

[Grecian2K]

That's why, when you study any history, you read around the alternate views to gain as independent and unbiased a conclusion as is possible.

Don't be silly Rae. It's far more efficient just to pick the one version that suits your own prejudices and stick with it!

 

[Jason H]

Think the closest the Democrats get to the Labour Party is Bernie Sanders

And that odious Senator.

Anyway, as said in this thread many times, for me the Communism/Fascism thing is virtually two sides of the same coin and shouldn't be viewed as left or right. While the stated aims are different, both end up with massive state control, rule through fear, mass paranoia leading to mass execution. The mutual hatred is like the resistance of two magnets.

Both are very much a "nay" from me.

 

[arthur]

Doesn't apply to all Brexiters of course, but there's more than a grain of truth in this:

"In this respect, it was always baked into Farage’s rhetoric that if the public voted to leave, the elite would seek to thwart their wishes. The truth, again, is quite otherwise. The political class has strained every tendon to find a way of delivering the undeliverable: of extracting the UK from a 46-year relationship without wrecking its prosperity, security and access to the wider world.

Brexit has failed because the square-circling task is impossible. We must stay, or accept a grievous cost: that is the choice now. But Farage appeals to a primal social instinct: the sensation that the few are, yet again, cheating the many of their unsullied dream. It is not the dream that is at fault, you understand, but those who sabotage it. Just as Marxists insist true communism has never been tried, so Brexiteers declare that their simple plan has been wrecked by weaklings, quislings and fools.

Brexit was designed by its most passionate supporters to fail: its purpose was to be betrayed, to enable a new movement to rise up, animated by fury and fear. Such a movement has now been born"

 

[Alistair20000]

Doesn't apply to all Brexiters of course, but there's more than a grain of truth in this:

"In this respect, it was always baked into Farage’s rhetoric that if the public voted to leave, the elite would seek to thwart their wishes. The truth, again, is quite otherwise. The political class has strained every tendon to find a way of delivering the undeliverable: of extracting the UK from a 46-year relationship without wrecking its prosperity, security and access to the wider world.

Brexit has failed because the square-circling task is impossible. We must stay, or accept a grievous cost: that is the choice now. But Farage appeals to a primal social instinct: the sensation that the few are, yet again, cheating the many of their unsullied dream. It is not the dream that is at fault, you understand, but those who sabotage it. Just as Marxists insist true communism has never been tried, so Brexiteers declare that their simple plan has been wrecked by weaklings, quislings and fools.

Brexit was designed by its most passionate supporters to fail: its purpose was to be betrayed, to enable a new movement to rise up, animated by fury and fear. Such a movement has now been born"

Standard Manchester Guardian fare art.

 

[IndoMike]

Brexit has trapped UK in no man's land. Complicated negotiations will go on for years, affecting he economy until late 2020's.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/apr/29/brexit-has-trapped-uk-in-no-mans-land-warns-top-economist

 

[arthur]

Brexit has trapped UK in no man's land. Complicated negotiations will go on for years, affecting he economy until late 2020's.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/apr/29/brexit-has-trapped-uk-in-no-mans-land-warns-top-economist

Labour has declared a climate emergency. If they're serious about tackling this (which they are right to be) why are they even contemplating farting about with the irrelevance that is Brexit. Make it stop and move on to more Important things - most voters would thank them for this.