Jay Stansfield

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The system is broken. There is limited incentive to produce players at a young age. Indeed I've not seen any mention of a sell-on clause or appearance money for Stansfield.

I hope the lad has a fantastic career.
The original statement from the club, that was linked to in the OP, clearly states there will add-ons and a sell-on.
 

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It's an interesting discussion, the benefits of having an academy with a full range of teams from 8 upwards, against a sophisticated scouting system that identifies players who have been developed, but discarded, by other clubs. Taking them at an age where they have potential to improve and then to sell them on when they are worth real money....I think Brentford have made a success of this strategy and although there will be many who disagree, it certainly has its merits.
Why does it have to be either/ or? I mentioned earlier in this thread that in the last two transfer windows we have signed three young players from Premiership or Championship clubs that all have the potential to be sold on for a profit.
 

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The original statement from the club, that was linked to in the OP, clearly states there will add-ons and a sell-on.
Thanks for pointing that out. It's good to know.

However my overarching point that the system is broken still remains. The Club are clearly disappointed and state that the deal was significantly below real market value.
 

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Thanks for pointing that out. It's good to know.

However my overarching point that the system is broken still remains. The Club are clearly disappointed and state that the deal was significantly below real market value.
But what is Market value?

One price to one side is too much, or too little, to the other.

God forbid, but he could suffered a career ending injury in a match,or in training, and then we'd be quids in, as he was on Fulham's books and we'd banked the cash already. Had he stayed, and suffered the same injury, with ECFC we'd all be doubly sad. Firstly for the lad, but also for the club who had lost a 'potentially' valuable asset before it's full potential was realised.

Like at lot of things i life and football it's a gamble, some you win, some you loose and some well..............
 

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The original statement from the club, that was linked to in the OP, clearly states there will add-ons and a sell-on.
Good point. I see from the EPPP proposals in 2011 that the fixed fee for under 16s includes a formula for a fixed add on for appearances. 25k for 10 championship appearances up to a maximum of 250k for 100 appearances. In the Prem it’s 150k for 10 appearances up to a max of 1.3m for 100 appearances.

This is from an old Wiki article so I don’t know whether those are the current rules, and I also thought that this transfer wasn’t on the fixed formula. But it did make me think these would be minimum add ons in a negotiated transfer.
 

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But what is Market value?

One price to one side is too much, or too little, to the other.

God forbid, but he could suffered a career ending injury in a match,or in training, and then we'd be quids in, as he was on Fulham's books and we'd banked the cash already. Had he stayed, and suffered the same injury, with ECFC we'd all be doubly sad. Firstly for the lad, but also for the club who had lost a 'potentially' valuable asset before it's full potential was realised.

Like at lot of things i life and football it's a gamble, some you win, some you loose and some well..............
EPPP creates a fixed starting point for any negotiations which is massively weighted in favour of the buying club.

The EPPP formula would have given us c£70k for Jay Stansfield. To put that in context they paid André Schürrle £100k per week last season. A few hundred grand really is a drop in the ocean for them, but significant money for us.
 

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If he carrys on he'll be in the first team before you know it!
Let's hope so. However it is probably worth noting that he will need to break into the U23 side before playing for the first team. Fingers crossed he makes it, as this not only benefits City financially, but also reflects well on our club as a developer of decent young talent.
 
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Let's hope so. However it is probably worth noting that he will need to break into the U23 side before playing for the first team. Fingers crossed he makes it, as this not only benefits City financially, but also reflects well on our club as a developer of decent young talent.
Steady on everyone, Jay was only an under-16 last year and he's doing incredibly well to already be scoring for the under-18's. He's got plenty of time to hopefully progress through the under 23's to the first team.
 

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Steady on everyone, Jay was only an under-16 last year and he's doing incredibly well to already be scoring for the under-18's. He's got plenty of time to hopefully progress through the under 23's to the first team.
TBF SEA, Martin is saying "If" so no one's presuming, Just hoping he'll develope in his own time which is a good reflection on our academy
 

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More goals for Jay

 

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More goals for Jay

From Hant's link -
"Stansfield becomes the Premier League Under-18s’ top scorer with his brace this evening".
 

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I accept i'm probably in a very small minority but i'm struggling to get much joy from all these posts highlighting what the club has lost, in exchange for a bag of beans, after nuturing the boy's talent for several years.
At least there are add-ons and sell-on (10%?).
Taggy said the fee was over the odds (100k?) but complained about the general academy-player nickers.
I think people are happy for Jay but ****** off with the system
 
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