Jay Stansfield

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When did Wheeler join us then?
I was specifically referring to players we have signed from bigger clubs. Our poor record of signing players from non-league is probably a discussion for another day as I've derailed this thread more than enough already
 

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What a great example of how to run a football club by the team at Fulham.
Well played Jay.
 

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Unfortunately as a league 2 club we are never going to hold on to our brightest stars for to long plus Exeter’s ethos is as such if a great opportunity comes along they will be allowed to move on Jay wasn’t signed here on pro terms Fulham paid us up without a tribunal then gave him the no 9 shirt when he got there.
 

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Unfortunately as a league 2 club we are never going to hold on to our brightest stars for to long plus Exeter’s ethos is as such if a great opportunity comes along they will be allowed to move on Jay wasn’t signed here on pro terms Fulham paid us up without a tribunal then gave him the no 9 shirt when he got there.
You're right that we should never stand in a player's way. However the vast majority of youngsters in our Academy will never make it as a pro. We therefore need to ensure that the few who are good enough to play at higher levels are profitable for us. Fulham paid us what we were due and actually a little more. That however still does not represent his true value to us or indeed his value in 12 months / 2 years. That's not Jay's fault, nor Fulham's.

If we are going to invest in players from the age of 7 or 8 and train them for 9-10 years, only to see the best players leave for peanuts then why should we bother? We should be rewarded IF those players go on and have successful careers, in the form of appearances and sell-on clauses.
 

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As the system stands there will never be a way to get a full value fee if a player leaves at 16 on non pro terms as there underage no one owns them as such they are purely playing as a hobby the fact they are at Exeter is no different than if they were playing for Pinhoe or Whipton hopefully a sell on at later date will make it seem more fair to us perhaps.
 

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As the system stands there will never be a way to get a full value fee if a player leaves at 16 on non pro terms as there underage no one owns them as such they are purely playing as a hobby the fact they are at Exeter is no different than if they were playing for Pinhoe or Whipton hopefully a sell on at later date will make it seem more fair to us perhaps.
Our Academy does not exist to provide a hobby for teenagers. We invest significant cash into infrastructure and coaches to maximise the chances of producing players for our first team and/or to generate income. The current system provides a set fee as "compensation" to the Club based on set criteria. For Jay Stansfield I believe the EPPP figure would amount to c£70k. Fulham have paid more than that and well done them. However to put that into context, last season Fulham were reportedly paying Andre Schurrle £100k EVERY WEEK.

The system is broken. There is limited incentive to produce players at a young age. Indeed I've not seen any mention of a sell-on clause or appearance money for Stansfield.

I hope the lad has a fantastic career.
 

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It's an interesting discussion, the benefits of having an academy with a full range of teams from 8 upwards, against a sophisticated scouting system that identifies players who have been developed, but discarded, by other clubs. Taking them at an age where they have potential to improve and then to sell them on when they are worth real money....I think Brentford have made a success of this strategy and although there will be many who disagree, it certainly has its merits.
 

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It's an interesting discussion, the benefits of having an academy with a full range of teams from 8 upwards, against a sophisticated scouting system that identifies players who have been developed, but discarded, by other clubs. Taking them at an age where they have potential to improve and then to sell them on when they are worth real money....I think Brentford have made a success of this strategy and although there will be many who disagree, it certainly has its merits.
City have recently re-advertised for 3 Academy scouts. Maybe not a lot of interest in the jobs.
 

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Our Academy does not exist to provide a hobby for teenagers. We invest significant cash into infrastructure and coaches to maximise the chances of producing players for our first team and/or to generate income. The current system provides a set fee as "compensation" to the Club based on set criteria. For Jay Stansfield I believe the EPPP figure would amount to c£70k. Fulham have paid more than that and well done them. However to put that into context, last season Fulham were reportedly paying Andre Schurrle £100k EVERY WEEK.

The system is broken. There is limited incentive to produce players at a young age. Indeed I've not seen any mention of a sell-on clause or appearance money for Stansfield.

I hope the lad has a fantastic career.
You can’t make a underage player sign a legally binding contract no matter how you invest in the academy.
 

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The big cats steal the food from the plates of the small cats. Langer is correct that there's little to be done about it and Boyo is correct in saying it ain't fair. Only the FA and/or League can restore some balance, but the former is just a puppet of the PL and the League doesn't have the ballz.
A fixed fee should be set depending on the academy grade the kid comes from.. It should be more than the current fee.
 

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I am not sure whether this was under the EPPP fixed formula or the intermediate type of compensation determined,in default of agreement, by a tribunal ( as per Ethan). IIRC the EPPP fixed formula has add ons for appearances , though of a trifling amount compared to real value.
 

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I am not sure whether this was under the EPPP fixed formula or the intermediate type of compensation determined,in default of agreement, by a tribunal ( as per Ethan). IIRC the EPPP fixed formula has add ons for appearances , though of a trifling amount compared to real value.
It was a negotiated transfer deal.
 

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Our Academy does not exist to provide a hobby for teenagers. We invest significant cash into infrastructure and coaches to maximise the chances of producing players for our first team and/or to generate income. The current system provides a set fee as "compensation" to the Club based on set criteria. For Jay Stansfield I believe the EPPP figure would amount to c£70k. Fulham have paid more than that and well done them. However to put that into context, last season Fulham were reportedly paying Andre Schurrle £100k EVERY WEEK.

The system is broken. There is limited incentive to produce players at a young age. Indeed I've not seen any mention of a sell-on clause or appearance money for Stansfield.

I hope the lad has a fantastic career.
Agree with this but for clarity, the compensation we received was not under EPPP.
 

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You can’t make a underage player sign a legally binding contract no matter how you invest in the academy.
Of course not. But the authorities could force higher league Clubs to not just provide compensation to lower league clubs for nicking players, but actually properly reward them. That would then actually work as in incentive for Clubs to raise Academy standards to everyone’s benefit.
 

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It's an interesting discussion, the benefits of having an academy with a full range of teams from 8 upwards, against a sophisticated scouting system that identifies players who have been developed, but discarded, by other clubs. Taking them at an age where they have potential to improve and then to sell them on when they are worth real money....I think Brentford have made a success of this strategy and although there will be many who disagree, it certainly has its merits.
Brentford do act as a stepping stone Club, taking young players from down the leagues and cashing in on them. The model is based on spending ‘moderate’ amounts (by Championship standards) on transfer fees. Our equivalent hunting ground would be Conf North/South. But that’s often PT football and a big step up to the pro game.

Looking at discarded players from higher up and developing them is another model. I fear our location puts us at a significant disadvantage with that particular route however.
 
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