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Does anyone know why national hunt racing is predominantly outside of London and the south east and flat racing is almost exclusively in London and the south east?
 

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Does anyone know why national hunt racing is predominantly outside of London and the south east and flat racing is almost exclusively in London and the south east?
National Hunt racing traces back to hunting and Point to Point racing which is why it might be thought of as "country" based. That said, there are and have been a number of city racecourses providing the sport over the years. Many of those have fallen to the property developer such as Hurst Park, Birmingham, Manchester.

I don't accept the proposition that Flat racing is almost exclusively or predominantly in London and the South East. There are tracks nationwide with the largest racing training centre in Newmarket and very popular meetings at places such as York, Newcastle, Chester.
 

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I don't accept the proposition that Flat racing is almost exclusively or predominantly in London and the South East. There are tracks nationwide with the largest racing training centre in Newmarket and very popular meetings at places such as York, Newcastle, Chester.
'Tis probably the other way round - "Why is London and the South East predominantly flat racing".
 

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'Tis probably the other way round - "Why is London and the South East predominantly flat racing".
Because National Hunt racing is derived from "flag to flag" or " Spire to spire" (point to point ) racing and has its back bone in Fox Hunting which is primarily a country pursuit. ( the clues in the name)

Initial races between points took place between rivals who rode only hunting bred horses who were best able to negotiate the hedges, walls, brooks and ditches encountered ( now replicated in modern day NH courses).. Hunter chases are still a popular way of introducing novice chasers to the Rules and also something they often go back to on retirement from racing under rules.

There are dual purpose tracks in the SE and the North... Sandown, Kempton, Doncaster, Haydock, Newcastle come to mind and also Flat only tracks outside of London such as Ripon, Thirsk, Pontefract,

Incidentally the Berkeley family from Berkeley in Gloucestershire were said to be able to hunt on their land which stretched between Bristol and London which was entirely in their ownership... I believe Berkeley square and Berkeley University in America have some founding connection with them also.

Perhaps anyone in that area might be ale to expand on this
 
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National Hunt racing traces back to hunting and Point to Point racing which is why it might be thought of as "country" based. That said, there are and have been a number of city racecourses providing the sport over the years. Many of those have fallen to the property developer such as Hurst Park, Birmingham, Manchester.

I don't accept the proposition that Flat racing is almost exclusively or predominantly in London and the South East. There are tracks nationwide with the largest racing training centre in Newmarket and very popular meetings at places such as York, Newcastle, Chester.
Any Naps for the Royal Ascot meeting this week Al?
 

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Any Naps for the Royal Ascot meeting this week Al?
The big handicaps are impossible and the odds will be short in the big Group 1 races. A meeting to watch rather than to bet on but these are possibles:

Short priced Patent on Tuesday in the Group 1 races: Solow, Gleneagles and Sole Power

Wednesday: Ivawood in the Jersey Stakes

Thursday : King of Rooks in the Norfolk Stakes
 

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I think Gleneagles is a give me,(excuse the pun) only decent wedge on for me will be Temptress on the Weds in The Royal Hunt Cup,steam in Al, you heard it here first!

Happy punting (y)
 

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Avoid sole power, he was awful in his last race.

I fancy Buratino in the 3.05 myself. Out of form Buick riding mind.
 
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