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I think that is disappointing and short sighted. Fascistic politics is seeing a resurgence and some fascists seek to use football for cover - I think this thread is highly relevant to ECFC
Agreed.

And again, a call to Ramone and co – where is this evidence of left-wing supporters in Dulwich Hamlet beating up fans inside the ground? Or even having an ideology that is in any way dangerous? Maybe they have political beliefs that you, as fascist-sympathisers disagree with – but dangerous?
 
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Agreed.

And again, a call to Ramone and co – where is this evidence of left-wing supporters in Dulwich Hamlet beating up fans inside the ground? Or even having an ideology that is in any way dangerous? Maybe they have political beliefs that you, as fascist-sympathisers disagree with – but dangerous?
I'm sure he is big enough to look after himself,f but to suggest that Ramone is a "fascist sympathiser" is a disgrace and should be withdrawn....The suggestion indicates a very sinister undertone to the whole debate...
 
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I'm sure he is big enough to look after himself,f but to suggest that Ramone is a "fascist sympathiser" is a disgrace and should be withdrawn....The suggestion indicates a very sinister undertone to the whole debate...
Without the far left there probably wouldn't be the need for the far right.
Someone who says there is a 'need for the far right' is supporting the far right's continued existence. Fascism is never the answer - but this comment by ramone seems to clearly state that it is not only acceptable, but necessary. Let that sink in - it's necessary to have fascists in our football grounds, because fans of Dulwich Hamlet are a little too 'PC'.

Fascist sympathiser is far weaker than could have been stated.
 
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Someone who says there is a 'need for the far right' is supporting the far right's continued existence. Fascism is never the answer - but this comment by ramone seems to clearly state that it is not only acceptable, but necessary. Let that sink in - it's necessary to have fascists in our football grounds, because fans of Dulwich Hamlet are a little too 'PC'.

Fascist sympathiser is far weaker than could have been stated.
I'd like to think you understand the meaning of the word "fascist" but I'm beginning to wonder...The term is not the sole domain of the so called "far right" it can just as easily be applied to other extreme political views that are intolerant towards minorities..
 

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I'd like to think you understand the meaning of the word "fascist" but I'm beginning to wonder...The term is not the sole domain of the so called "far right" it can just as easily be applied to other extreme political views that are intolerant towards minorities..
Wait, what?

Fascism

Collins Dictionary:
Fascism is a set of right-wing political beliefs that includes strong control of society and the economy by the state, a powerful role for the armed forces, and the stopping of political opposition.

Oxford English Dictionary:
An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

Dictionary.com (British definition):
Any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism.
 
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Wait, what?

Fascism

Collins Dictionary:
Fascism is a set of right-wing political beliefs that includes strong control of society and the economy by the state, a powerful role for the armed forces, and the stopping of political opposition.

Oxford English Dictionary:
An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

Dictionary.com (British definition):
Any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism.
I'm not about to get into a debate about political thinking in the 20th Century and the role of The National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazi) because clearly you have your dictionaries to hand :)
 
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I'm not about to get into a debate about political thinking in the 20th Century and the role of The National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazi) because clearly you have your dictionaries to hand :)
You know the word "Socialist" was added by the party's executive committee, over Hitler's objections, in order to help appeal to left-wing workers - right? The party was never anything other than far-right. They put a huge number of communists and socialists to death. I can't believe that this conversation is necessary with an adult in 2018. The Nazis were right-wing. Adolf Hitler wasn't a socialist. The Nazis were fascists. Fascists are bad - not only when there aren't left-wing people - fascists are always bad.

This isn't a debate. Don't fool yourself into thinking it is one. In a debate, there is a side that may have a good point, and another side that may have a good point. You are not engaging in a debate because you have no leg to stand on. Advocating right-wing fascists is never good.
 
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You know the word "Socialist" was added by the party's executive committee, over Hitler's objections, in order to help appeal to left-wing workers - right? The party was never anything other than far-right. They put a huge number of communists and socialists to death. I can't believe that this conversation is necessary with an adult in 2018. The Nazis were right-wing. Adolf Hitler wasn't a socialist. The Nazis were fascists. Fascists are bad - not only when there aren't left-wing people - fascists are always bad.

This isn't a debate. Don't fool yourself into thinking it is one. In a debate, there is a side that may have a good point, and another side that may have a good point. You are not engaging in a debate because you have no leg to stand on. Advocating right-wing fascists is never good.
And oddly enough, you are behaving like a..........Fascist...strange that :)
 

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I'm genuinely surprised Temporarily exiled is still posting on this thread. Mods, why hasn't he been at least temporarily banned for his comments about Ramone?
 

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You know the word "Socialist" was added by the party's executive committee, over Hitler's objections, in order to help appeal to left-wing workers - right? The party was never anything other than far-right. They put a huge number of communists and socialists to death. I can't believe that this conversation is necessary with an adult in 2018. The Nazis were right-wing. Adolf Hitler wasn't a socialist. The Nazis were fascists. Fascists are bad - not only when there aren't left-wing people - fascists are always bad.

This isn't a debate. Don't fool yourself into thinking it is one. In a debate, there is a side that may have a good point, and another side that may have a good point. You are not engaging in a debate because you have no leg to stand on. Advocating right-wing fascists is never good.
You're trying to argue hitler wasn't a socialist. And you're suggesting Malcs hasn't got a leg to stand on?

And guess what your proof of this is? Snopes fact-check article.

Forget what Hitler himself has said in mass rallies, forget that he led the national socialist workers party, let's look at his policies shall we?

Innovated public work schemes which gave workers increased benefits
Promising everyone a job - Which he created jobs by increasing the state, then allowing wages to rise with prices because he wanted people working for the Government
Free daycare and big on education, basically an entire generation raised by the state
Nationalised healthcare
Up to an 80% tax
Implemented gun control

I could literally go on and on forever. But to somehow claim Hitler wasn't a hard-left wing socialist proves you haven't got a clue what you're on about. He was your types leader back in the 1940s.
 
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