General Election - 8thJune

[arthur]

I see the Assange boil has been lanced. Will be interesting to see where he ends up.

In America no doubt, being welcomed by Trump after all the help he absolutely didn't give him....

 

[IndoMike]

Six more months of this crock of sh*te.

How many times will Teaser try to force her wretched "deal" through ?

If you poke the hornets' nest you will get badly stung. Offering an option which is not implementable was not a clever move by Cameron, especially when it was done purely to placate internal party extremists. There will be no agreement between May and Corbyn. May's deal is dead but it's the deal that the EU signed up to. We are in a terrible mess : the only saving grace is that democracy still rules, but unfortunately in this case is not effective.

 

[DB9]

The other day at PMQ's Mrs May was asked about a 2nd referendum, She said that the HOC have already defeated that idea twice but she still wants to bring her deal back after that was defeated three times? Not sure of the logic there if one bill is defeated more than others but is still deemed good enough to keep bringing it back

 

[Alistair20000]

Interesting analogy with Switzerland. It maybe that we need to go through the populist revolution and come out the other side. Rawnsley made the point yesterday that "highly sophisticated, cultured and prosperous" European Nations - France, Italy, Germany - can go through periods of huge upheaval and then recover.

Part of me thinks that perhaps no deal is what this country needs for it to learn the hard way that populism doesn't work. The cost will be huge of course, and massively unfair on those of limited means who voted Remain, not to mention the people of Scotland who would have to pay the price for English exceptionalist delusion. But without this catharsis, how will this running sore be healed? By a confident, effective Labour party that captures the public imagination by charting a way out of this austerity driven misery, anger and hopelessness? Another bloody unicorn

An excellent point Art and we can then see how much no deal really does hurt: the big unknown.

What is clear is that the EU is every bit as frit of no deal as our spineless government and MP's and we have failed to use that as an appropriate bargaining chip. Our "negotiators" could not negotiate the skin off a rice pudding. Their ineptness has been beyond belief.

 

[Alistair20000]

The other day at PMQ's Mrs May was asked about a 2nd referendum, She said that the HOC have already defeated that idea twice but she still wants to bring her deal back after that was defeated three times? Not sure of the logic there if one bill is defeated more than others but is still deemed good enough to keep bringing it back

She just makes it all up as she goes along, kicks for touch and hopes that something will turn up to save her sorry arse.

Utterly useless.

 

[IndoMike]

May has learnt (maybe) that if you try to please all of the people all of the time then you end up p+ssing off all of the people all of the time.She has been totally useless but the finger doesn't just point at her.

 

[Bittners a Legend]

An excellent point Art and we can then see how much no deal really does hurt: the big unknown.

What is clear is that the EU is every bit as frit of no deal as our spineless government and MP's and we have failed to use that as an appropriate bargaining chip. Our "negotiators" could not negotiate the skin off a rice pudding. Their ineptness has been beyond belief.

Perhaps that is because no deal is not an appropriate bargaining chip? It might be hard to recognise that unless you are somebody that might actually feel the real life effects of No Deal. Unfortunately what might be an ideological fantasy/game/desire to some is real life with real consequences to other people. Thankfully at least some politicians both in the UK and the EU do recognise this. A game of chicken over who might push their constituents off the cliff first and hardest is not a particularly pleasant or sensible way to bargain.

How much No Deal might hurt is an unknown, that it will hurt is not unknown. That is further magnified by our atrocious planning. It is an absurd position to take.

 

[HH12]

So, the can is kicked down the road until Halloween, with a review in June.

How appropriate is Halloween - this has been a horror story nightmare from start to finish (whenever that is)

 

[Alistair20000]

Perhaps that is because no deal is not an appropriate bargaining chip? It might be hard to recognise that unless you are somebody that might actually feel the real life effects of No Deal. Unfortunately what might be an ideological fantasy/game/desire to some is real life with real consequences to other people. Thankfully at least some politicians both in the UK and the EU do recognise this. A game of chicken over who might push their constituents off the cliff first and hardest is not a particularly pleasant or sensible way to bargain.

How much No Deal might hurt is an unknown, that it will hurt is not unknown. That is further magnified by our atrocious planning. It is an absurd position to take.

The point is that if we had prepared properly for no deal and the EU knew we were serious about leaving on those terms if forced to, the whole position might be different. We saw a few weeks ago European business leaders contacting their governments to be more sensible and flexible when no deal looked possible. There is a good chance that if we had prepared properly there would have been a better deal on the table now.

 

[IndoMike]

How appropriate is Halloween - this has been a horror story nightmare from start to finish (whenever that is)

Yep. We've had April Fool's Day and then Halloween. I guess the next postponement will be until New Year's Eve.