UK Lockdown

[manc grecian]

It's about buying time for hospitals isn't it? That's always been the aim, not to get rid of the virus.

Lockdown for a month probably buys hospitals another two months then some more intervention and hope for a vaccine and a change in season.

 

[Mr Jinx]

Lockdowns are good for flattening the curve but when it ends and people move about freely again, The rates will go up surely?

Bingo, in one. Game of peek a boo. Phantom Raspberry blower. All in the hope that forthcoming vaccines nail it on the head in one. I'm not holding out much hope.

 

[DB9]

It's about buying time for hospitals isn't it? That's always been the aim, not to get rid of the virus.

Lockdown for a month probably buys hospitals another two months then some more intervention and hope for a vaccine and a change in season.

Hoping for a vaccine that will help is still sometime away, On another thread we're wondering when fans get back into grounds again, Lockdown, freeing up then keep repeating that over and over again won't help fans back into the grounds, Will kill any hopes of the economy recovering and just totally screw the mental state of the population.

 

[manc grecian]

Hoping for a vaccine that will help is still sometime away, On another thread we're wondering when fans get back into grounds again, Lockdown, freeing up then keep repeating that over and over again won't help fans back into the grounds, Will kill any hopes of the economy recovering and just totally screw the mental state of the population.

I agree but other than isolating millions of people it seems the only idea that people can come up with.

Christ knows what the long term solution is. I along with many others who are probably worse off than me are thoroughly fed up with it all.

Wish I could hibernate for 6 months

 

[Alistair20000]

It's about buying time for hospitals isn't it? That's always been the aim, not to get rid of the virus.

Lockdown for a month probably buys hospitals another two months then some more intervention and hope for a vaccine and a change in season.

We have had several months of “buying time” and it has been used to no good purpose.

 

[Alistair20000]

So Macron does relock down France. Whether you agree or disagree with the mechanism, what is striking is the clear reasons for doing it and the aims of it (to reduce cases to 5000 a day)

Vast difference to the airy fairy announcements from our Gov involving camels and sombreros

Looks like Macron has been reading the works of Prof Neil Ferguson.

 

[Alistair20000]

Lockdowns are good for flattening the curve but when it ends and people move about freely again, The rates will go up surely?

Exactly what has happened as predicted by a minority of scientists who have not been not listened to.

Anything from Sage needs to be stood on its head and critically analysed. Sage have recommended a particular line based on Lockdown which has not worked and has caused ruinous damage to health, society and the economy including jobs and businesses. They cannot possibly change tack now as they are too far down that road and to change course would be to admit to error. In the light of that look at everything the Government and Sage say with extreme caution.

The Government has bought into the same policy of course and also cannot afford to change tack. They figure they will be blamed more for deaths that might be in some way related to Covid than all the indirect death, social and economic damage their Lockdown policies have caused. In terms of political judgment that may be correct especially as the opposition parties are not suggesting anything significantly different.

When will we finally face up to accepting that you cannot stop this thing. All you can do is protect the vulnerable as far as possible while everyone else gets on with life.

 

[Rosencrantz]

Exactly what has happened as predicted by a minority of scientists who have not been not listened to.

Anything from Sage needs to be stood on its head and critically analysed. Sage have recommended a particular line based on Lockdown which has not worked and has caused ruinous damage to health, society and the economy including jobs and businesses. They cannot possibly change tack now as they are too far down that road and to change course would be to admit to error. In the light of that look at everything the Government and Sage say with extreme caution.

The Government has bought into the same policy of course and also cannot afford to change tack. They figure they will be blamed more for deaths that might be in some way related to Covid than all the indirect death, social and economic damage their Lockdown policies have caused. In terms of political judgment that may be correct especially as the opposition parties are not suggesting anything significantly different.

When will we finally face up to accepting that you cannot stop this thing. All you can do is protect the vulnerable as far as possible while everyone else gets on with life.

According to this interesting article...

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/sweden-coronavirus-response-experiment

...the argument in Sweden seems to be in the opposite direction. Although their economy didn't contract as much as the UK and other large European economies it was on the same lines as Norway, Finland and Denmark who all locked down. Seems we should have looked at Taiwan and South Korea.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-how-south-koreas-track-and-trace-system-has-kept-death-count-below-500-12103124

The most valuable thing in a crisis has always been someone who knows what they are doing and those in power without ego or preconceived ideology to implement them...even if they chose the wrong route first time.

 

[elginCity]

When will we finally face up to accepting that you cannot stop this thing.

When will we finally stop stating the above nonsense. Ideology is blinding you, Al.

As above, check out islands such as NZ and Taiwan who did 'stop this thing' in its tracks, and feckin learn from them, how they did it and scale it up. Learn also from South Korea and others. Suppression is actually good for the economy and public health in the long term, this mitigation loosey lockdown/herd immunity strategy is not.

 

[tavyred]

The longer this pandemic continues its looking like one of the least important factors in the fight against its spread is the competency of the people in charge. If it did matter then at least one country in our corner of Western Europe would’ve surely have seen a markedly different outcome to the rest. There was an interesting poll at the beginning of the week which asked the British public if they thought another political party could’ve done better in this crisis, not surprisingly the majority said no it would not have made a difference. We could not have done a NZ or a South Korea in the U.K. simply because we are not those countries and we are more directly comparable with Belgium, France and the Netherlands in attitudes, location and variables that as hard as you might try you cannot control or would not want to control. Europe is floundering in this crisis and nowhere is getting it right as far as I can see.