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Alistair20000

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10 as no doubt you well know although that has nothing to do with what I posted. You do point out an inconsistency though. When is a child not a child? In order to vote you have to be 18, driving 17 (in most cases), smoking and sex is 16 and being a criminal just 10.

Going back to Ali's post, if 15 year olds of today are not 15 year olds of Ali's childhood, by implication more grown up and responsible, then why shouldn't the voting age come down?
Based on Ms Begum 15 years old is more grown up but not responsible.

I agree you can make a reasoned case for lowering the voting age.
 

arthur

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Fanciful.

There is a legal process in train anyway
The legal process in train is an appeal against arbitrary action taken by a Home Secretary for political reasons.

I really can't understand why you're being so stubborn about this. Are you really in favour of politicians arbitrarily deciding who is and who isn't a British citizen?
 

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With not saying about the rights or wrongs of this case regarding Ms Begum, The narrative about "Lefty Lawyers" is totally unfounded and just wrong, They (The Lawyers) have been asked by (Either the family or a refugee group or similar) to see if any law has been broken when her citizenship was revoked, Now it is being looked into and judges are looking at evidence and hearing submissions from both sides, If the Government acted within the law then great but if they broke the law revoking her citizenship they are the ones who screwed up and it wouldn't be "lefty Lawyers" getting her back into the UK. As a nation we are suppose to go by the rule of law, Whether domestic or international law, We might not like some of the laws but they are there for everyone, Just because someone is challenging this case does not make it wrong, Its the same as the Rwanda deportations, If the government have broken the law on that the flights should not take place and that is also what is being looked into.

It serves people like the Mail etc to come up with the "Lefty Lawyer" narrative because it feeds into peoples fears but again, They are only acting on behalf of people who think the Government (Or Anyone) is not acting within the law. Lots on here say what a great and decent country the UK is (Which is true) and we are an open country that acts within the law then we have to see what the Judges decide on this, Not newspapers.
 
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Based on Ms Begum 15 years old is more grown up but not responsible.

I agree you can make a reasoned case for lowering the voting age.
Responsibility and lack thereof can come at many different ages of course. Everyone should have the right to due process and a fair trial though. Whether that is serial murderers, rapists, terrorists, war criminals or 10 year olds half inching a handful of blackjacks from the local shop. It is what a fair society is based on.

By going the way the government are, I feel it is a dereliction of their own duty as well as legally dubious. Her lawyers will come up with defences, that is what they are there for. It is what all defence lawyers are there for. Although it might not always end up the way you like, criminal justice is there to protect the innocent as much as punish the guilty. That is a trial that should take place but the government seem to be wanting to avoid.
 

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Suella Braverman happily reinforcing the point a number of us have been making regarding the UK's asylum system

Absolutely priceless. Up there with mad Nad referring to her officials when another (Conservative) committee chair pointed out to her that Channel 4 didn't receive any public money.

How can a holder of one of the great offices of state fail to answer a question so unexpected, uncommon and obscure that it's been asked on Exeweb countless times? She could at least have been honest and given the Tavy answer - if we instituted safe routes we'd be flooded with applicants and wouldnt be able to cope - but instead she just looked ridiculous.
 

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This is old news (1st Nov)
Bank makes history as it reverses quantitative easing.
The bonds are being sold for less than the Bank paid for them, so it is making a loss on the sales, which will be paid by the Treasury.
I though that the idea of money markets was risk-reward - returns were a reward for risk. Looks like its a one-way bet subsidised by the tax payer.
I am sure bulding some poorhouses in Rawanda for our lazy workers will solve all our economic problems.
 

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Heard someone on the radio say that migration of 200k+ will be here for a long time despite when the Government says they're going to get it down to the 10k's, Just released from the ONS a record 504,000 net migration to the UK last year, the highest since the 2nd World War. How many years in Government and saying "Taking back control of our borders"? or are those banging on about the dingys coming over ok with this amount?

 

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Baroness Moan has today said to have received £29m from a firm she lobbied for during the precurment of PPE who won a contract for £200m on this "VIP Contract" deal after her lawyers saying last year she didn't declare it because she didn't receive a penny but hey ho don't worry, look over there and be outraged!! :rolleyes:
 

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Heard someone on the radio say that migration of 200k+ will be here for a long time despite when the Government says they're going to get it down to the 10k's, Just released from the ONS a record 504,000 net migration to the UK last year, the highest since the 2nd World War. How many years in Government and saying "Taking back control of our borders"? or are those banging on about the dingys coming over ok with this amount?

You can be relaxed about high levels of inward migration and still view the dinghy crossings as an absolute p1ss take DB.
 

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You can be relaxed about high levels of inward migration and still view the dinghy crossings as an absolute p1ss take DB.
No you can't, Look online and see those that throw bile at these crossings are up in arms about the numbers quoted today, Seems to me those that hate these crossings hate immigration as a whole (And please, I'm not including you in this) No matter how it happens.
 
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