Politics Today

[Alistair20000]

One politics thread is enough.

Just saying.

 

[DB9]

I think that there should be a new thread entitled "Politics Yesterday"

No it shouldn't, This is still about our political and economic relationship with Europe and I'm afraid what happened 80 years ago moulded Europe and the UK and it is still relevant politically today, So this is the right thread.

 

[elginCity]

.......I don't see what it has morphed into (the current EU) as a peacemaker and possibly now a body that could exacerbate conflict......

As with the fear of future EU federalism, it's impossible to counter an entrenched negative viewpoint full of 'possibly' and 'could', because it's your fear, and no doubt a justification for the UK bailing out. Just like dear old Stuffers believing strongly, despite no evidence, that Germany and France are on the brink of attacking Russia, that is his fear. Tavy has a fear of supranational governance, the sharing of sovereignty, despite no evidence of it being detrimental to the UK's interest, in fact the reverse is true, as we're seeing daily now.

The very same fears fuelled by the Murdoch and Barclay press. Crack on fellas, pull up the drawbridge, erect the barriers once again, all these fears might become reality one day. Can't argue with that.

 

[tavyred]

This issue is just another facet of the modern left’s obsession with controlling the narrative. The contrary view has to be denounced, even if it’s the truth.
Dangerous place to be.

 

[tavyred]

Tavy has a fear of supranational governance, the sharing of sovereignty, despite no evidence of it being detrimental to the UK's interest, in fact the reverse is true, as we're seeing daily now.

Early days, although I could point to the EU’s and UK’s differing vaccines response to make a point.

 

[Alistair20000]

As with the fear of future EU federalism, it's impossible to counter an entrenched negative viewpoint full of 'possibly' and 'could', because it's your fear, and no doubt a justification for the UK bailing out. Just like dear old Stuffers believing strongly, despite no evidence, that Germany and France are on the brink of attacking Russia, that is his fear. Tavy has a fear of supranational governance, the sharing of sovereignty, despite no evidence of it being detrimental to the UK's interest, in fact the reverse is true, as we're seeing daily now.

The very same fears fuelled by the Murdoch and Barclay press. Crack on fellas, pull up the drawbridge, erect the barriers once again, all these fears might become reality one day. Can't argue with that.

Elgy

No pulling up the drawbridge. We are looking out into the whole world beyond the stagnant waters of the EU and its "Project"

By the way, your beloved EU is not getting high marks for Covid vaccine roll out. Merkel no less is rearing up.

 

[Spanks]

This issue is just another facet of the modern left’s obsession with controlling the narrative. The contrary view has to be denounced, even if it’s the truth.
Dangerous place to be.

But it isn't Tavy. It's the modern Right's fear of anything different that doesn't benefit them, directly, financially.

 

[lamrobhero]

No pulling up the drawbridge. We are looking out into the whole world beyond the stagnant waters of the EU and its "Project"

The Toffs and Oligarchs may be looking into the whole world, the rest of us are constrained by the end of "freedom of movement".

 

[Mr Jinx]

As with the fear of future EU federalism, it's impossible to counter an entrenched negative viewpoint full of 'possibly' and 'could', because it's your fear, and no doubt a justification for the UK bailing out. Just like dear old Stuffers believing strongly, despite no evidence, that Germany and France are on the brink of attacking Russia, that is his fear. Tavy has a fear of supranational governance, the sharing of sovereignty, despite no evidence of it being detrimental to the UK's interest, in fact the reverse is true, as we're seeing daily now.

The very same fears fuelled by the Murdoch and Barclay press. Crack on fellas, pull up the drawbridge, erect the barriers once again, all these fears might become reality one day. Can't argue with that.

You point out France & Germany there. It's pretty obvious the relationship between those two is pivotal to the whole EU project.

All it will take is for those two to fall out and, were that to happen, I have every reason to believe the EU will finally crumble. Why has their relationship been so stable up to now? Well more recently, I'd put that down to the level headed Merkel. She's been around for a while but will soon be gone. Heck, even Macron could be gone this time next year.

Each time they get replaced it's like throwing the dice. At some point during the next 50 years there will be a point where their respective leaders irrevocably fall out.

 

[Alistair20000]

The Toffs and Oligarchs may be looking into the whole world, the rest of us are constrained by the end of "freedom of movement".

To which EU country would you like to emigrate ?