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IndoMike

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There is a pattern developing here Indo, where you make claim about something I have or haven’t written and then can’t be arsed to back it up. 🤷🏼‍♂️
Neither can you.
 

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Indo.
To quote Al...”he who asserts, must prove“.
 

tavyred

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I didn't realize Tavers had said that. Quite a turn around. Of course, a person can change their mind, but he did seem to think it was crucial if we refer to his own words.
I can understand why Johnson would change his mind so abruptly due to his burning ambition to become P. M, but Tavers? Maybe after the oncoming BREXIT shambles he'll do another U-turn.
....or alternatively, he’ll react to the largely benign effects of Brexit with the quiet satisfaction of someone totally at ease with his decision to vote leave. 🙄
 

IndoMike

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Indo.
To quote Al...”he who asserts, must prove“.
The problem is Ali doesn't follow his own code of conduct 😄
 

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....or alternatively, he’ll react to the largely benign effects of Brexit with the quiet satisfaction of someone totally at ease with his decision to vote leave. 🙄
So what happened about "in an uncertain and dangerous world, the sooner we go balls deep into the European experiment the better." ?
Considering that the world is even more uncertain and dangerous, do you think we should reconsider BREXIT for the good of the nation and to save so many jobs which are being lost?
 

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There’s been two over the last 24 hrs art, which one are you referring to? 😀
Optimum in the Observer Tavy, which you have quoted in the past when it has shown a widening Tory lead, so presumably it can be relied on.

Today's finding is that 49% of all voters think it likely that Russia interfered in the EU referendum, as opposed to a mere 23% who think it didn't. Even more Tories thought this than not (39% vs 33%).

Oh and Labour has closed the gap on the Tories to just 4 points (from 8 last week). And the government's net approval of the way Coronavirus is being handled has dropped to -15% and Johnson's own approval rating has dropped from -4% to -8%.

Still, you will no doubt reassure us than none of this is cutting through with "The People" and that these ratings are merely a symptom of persistent MSM bias against a government trying its best under difficult circumstances.

On the subject of Russia, has it occurred to you that the Tories are at high risk of suffering a rash of Russia Sleaze headlines over the coming years, given the sheer volume of Russian cash being funneled into the Conservative Party? Don't you think they ought to be a bit careful? What do your kin folk in the blue wall think about this, or is it just another MSM plot to discredit The People's Government?

 

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Morning Tavy

Are you “right wing “ ?

I enquire to appease Indo.
 

arthur

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....or alternatively, he’ll react to the largely benign effects of Brexit with the quiet satisfaction of someone totally at ease with his decision to vote leave. 🙄
Anne Applebaum, American writer and husband of Radoslaw Sikorski (the centre right Polish politician at Oxford with Cameron, Johnson etc.) recalls:

Her husband knew Boris Johnson. They were both members of the Bullingdon Club at Oxford. She assumed that he was as much a liberal internationalist as Sikorski was. When the couple met Johnson for dinner in 2014, she noted his laziness and “all-consuming narcissism”, as well as the undoubted charisma that was to seduce and then ruin his country. In those days, Johnson appeared friendly. He was alarmed by the global challenge to democracy, he told them, and wanted to defend “the culture of freedom and openness and tolerance”. They asked about Europe. “No one serious wants to leave the EU,” he replied, which was true enough as Johnson was to prove when he came out for Brexit.
 

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So what happened about "in an uncertain and dangerous world, the sooner we go balls deep into the European experiment the better." ?
Considering that the world is even more uncertain and dangerous, do you think we should reconsider BREXIT for the good of the nation and to save so many jobs which are being lost?
Assuming we are not contributing indirectly, it seems to me that not contributing to the EU bail out fund that benefits Spain and Italy most is quite a good result for us of the decision to leave the EU. Our money to be used instead to the benefit of the U.K. economy.
 

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Assuming we are not contributing indirectly, it seems to me that not contributing to the EU bail out fund that benefits Spain and Italy most is quite a good result for us of the decision to leave the EU. Our money to be used instead to the benefit of the U.K. economy.
"That`s an important part of the EU credo Ant. (*or Al).
Richer countries give cash to the poorer ones in order for them build up there economies and later down the line they start buying our Nissan Qashqai`s."

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Tavyred (May 2015 )
 
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