Politics Today

[Alistair20000]

When were you last wrong?

Brexit.

I thought Remain would win.

 

[tavyred]

But has it been effective ever? It was tried against Ken Livingstone and Sadiq the terrorist sympathiser Khan. I can't think of any GE that Labour lost because of fears about the looney left - the Party was quite capable of losing elections for all sorts of other reasons...

Good try Art, but you can’t distance Corbyn and his unpopularity in 2019 from his looney left politics.
Ironically whenever I tried to suggest it was Labour’s stance on Brexit or BJ’s personal popularity that lost them the GE 2019, you berated me and cited Corbyn as the overwhelming reason for the electoral tonking they got.
Are you agreeing with me now?

 

[arthur]

Good try Art, but you can’t distance Corbyn and his unpopularity in 2019 from his looney left politics.
Ironically whenever I tried to suggest it was Labour’s stance on Brexit or BJ’s personal popularity that lost them the GE 2019, you berated me and cited Corbyn as the overwhelming reason for the electoral tonking they got.
Are you agreeing with me now?

I have always maintained that when it came to Labour's stance on Brexit, that was not particularly relevant as the overwhelming majority of floating voters were bored sick of Brexit and just wanted to get it over with. Get Brexit Done was an extremely effective slogan. I don't think many people can have disagreed with Labour's stance on Brexit because hardly anyone knew what it was. I certainly didn't. But a very large number of people had made their mind up that under no circumstances should Corbyn be Prime Minister because he was both deeply unattractive and profoundly useless. His gross popularity (the number of people who liked him) going into the election was 12%. Anyone who actually cared about the Labour Party and the people it purports to champion and had a shred of integrity would have resigned and let John McDonnell take over (similar policies,a thousand times more political nous). It was not so much the policies that were the problem, but the person...

 

[Radio Free Skaro]

Corbyn's stance on Brexit ie , often sitting on the fence, hard to pin down but perhaps reluctantly agreeing to remain in the EU aren't and weren't really that much at odds with a lot of the country TBH

 

[tavyred]

Art.
Why was Corbyn ‘grossly unpopular’? if it wasn’t his looney left politics?

 

[tavyred]

Corbyn's stance on Brexit ie , often sitting on the fence, hard to pin down but perhaps reluctantly agreeing to remain in the EU aren't and weren't really that much at odds with a lot of the country TBH

I wonder if Corbyn regrets his adoption of the Starmer 2019 Brexit plan now, despite Art’s comments it was clearly designed to shore up the Labour vote (to the detriment of the red wall) in the remainer metropolitan areas and deliver in time of course another referendum. It wasn’t a mystery to me or the majority of the electorate IMO.

 

[Grecian2K]

Good try Art, but you can’t distance Corbyn and his unpopularity in 2019 from his looney left politics.

Perhaps you could write and ask the same question of your new party deputy chairman....although I fear that the cost of the privatised postage nowadays would greatly exceed his preferred 30p budget.
Rishi Sunak reshuffle: One-time Jeremy Corbyn supporter named deputy Tory chairman (msn.com)

 

[tavyred]

Perhaps you could write and ask the same question of your new party deputy chairman....although I fear that the cost of the privatised postage nowadays would greatly exceed his preferred 30p budget.
Rishi Sunak reshuffle: One-time Jeremy Corbyn supporter named deputy Tory chairman (msn.com)

What are your concerns re. Lee Anderson G2K?
I voted for Corbyn myself in 2017 when he supported our EU exit, your article doesn’t explain Lee’s defection to the Tories perhaps you know, because I don’t.

 

[Grecian2K]

What are your concerns re. Lee Anderson G2K?
I voted for Corbyn myself in 2017 when he supported our EU exit, your article doesn’t explain Lee’s defection to the Tories perhaps you know, because I don’t.

No concerns at all Tavy. I've full confidence that he will do a wonderful job as we approach the next GE....for the Labour Party!

 

[angelic upstart]

Tax on purchases rather than tax on income and capital gains is highly regressive. While not a woolly well meaning Socialist like my friend arthur I think tax on income has to be a big part of our revenue gathering.

I happen to agree, but can't think of anything different in the 20 seconds or so I've given some thought into it. I do think the current system will continue creaking on, but something more modern is required.