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Alistair20000

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Oh i don't know about that Al, PMQ's is often seen as how a PM/Opposition leader is doing and if they're in trouble.
Nah. Bill Hague regularly got the better of the Rev Blair in the Punch & Judy show. Not that it got him anywhere in the 2001 GE.
 

tavyred

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Strange how in certain quarters, while calling political rivals "scum" is claimed to be grievously offensive, referring to a member of the opposition as a "gobsh!te" seems to be regarded as perfectly acceptable. 🤔
#doublestandards
None of us on here are elected representatives seeking high office G2K.
That’s how in certain quarters people on her can refer to a woman politician as a “witch” yet still sit in moral judgment on others. 🤔
#doublestandards.
 

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I agree with you on Angela Rayner. I see nothing that encourages me to believe she would be any good in playing a part at competently governing the country. And yes, Sir Keith agrees but was politically too weak to marginalise her
My dear Al ,

It is not possible to marginalise an elected deputy leader
 

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The thing that gets me is that Johnson, Rees-Mogg etc are so "Establishment" its scary, They have grown up with a total sense of entitlement all their lives, Thinking they make the rules but not adhere to them. It seems to me there are some double standards as well with voters, Even on here Johnson and Co seem to be the saviour of the UK and they are free to do what they want because they speak well and quote Latin but when Angela Rayner stands up and says what she feels she is treated like some "Gobshite Northener" who can't speak properly. Just total inverted snobbery by people imo, Its like just because Johnson and Co went to posh, private schools it somehow makes them more intelligent and "Better" than us, Well all i can say, You can pay a fortune for an Education but it doesn't make you "Better" because you can quote Latin.
Not being funny here. But the conservative party, traditionally stand for the middle and upper classes. It stands to reason they'll sneer and the working classes. They always mock an accent. Dennis Skinner always was openly mocked by the conservatives.

Somehow what's happened is that clumps of the working classes, feel that the conservatives are a better option than the traditional working class party of Labour. I genuinely think this is ultimately down to two reasons. We've adopted a culture that implies, that the ordinary person can "make it big" which is largely nonsense, but people buy into the theory and the slow death of the unions and the way in which they regularly moan about pointless stuff annoys many that just want to keep their head down and do a day's work. How it's done to this is something labour need to address and fairly urgently if they ever want to govern again.
 
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Not being funny here. But the conservative party, traditionally stand for the middle and upper classes. It stands to reason they'll sneer and the working classes. They always mock an accent. Dennis Skinner always was openly mocked by the conservatives.

Somehow what's happened is that clumps of the working classes, feel that the conservatives are a better option than the traditional working class party of Labour. I genuinely think this is ultimately down to two reasons. We've adopted a culture that implies, that the ordinary person can "make it big" which is largely nonsense, but people buy into the theory and the slow death of the unions and the way in which they regularly moan about pointless stuff annoys many that just want to keep their head down and do a day's work. How it's done to this is something labour need to address and fairly urgently if they ever want to govern again.
Agreed, although I think many leant the Tories their vote to get Brexit done. Now that Brexit is finished & Boris being such a liability means that many of those still motivated to vote will switch back to Labour.
 
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