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Hermann

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Personally I think tracking opinion polls this far out from an election is a complete waste of time.

The only poll that is ever reliable is the exit poll on election night.
You're right, it absolutely is, but it's all we've got right now.
 

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Personally I think tracking opinion polls this far out from an election is a complete waste of time.

The only poll that is ever reliable is the exit poll on election night.
While I'll agree Polls so far away from election is a bit of a waste I do think though they are good at showing any political party, Especially in Government that people might or might be happy with their performances and voters will desert them if they carry on screwing up, Opposition parties shouldn't get carried away but know there are chinks in the Government's armour, Its how they exploit that which counts.
 

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Personally I think tracking opinion polls this far out from an election is a complete waste of time.

The only poll that is ever reliable is the exit poll on election night.
You're right to a degree, but I don't think they're a complete waste of time. People say the same about by-elections, but I think they can also be a good yardstick.

I think what we have seen this past year is that Boris is pretty much teflon man. He has many faults I grant you, but people are evidently willing to overlook them. Can they continue to overlook them for the next 3 years remains to be seen.

Anything can happen of course but if Starmer remains at Labour helm, I can't see much of a sway tbh. Given the boundary changes I see the Tories keeping a comfortablish majority (c 50).
 

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In relation to Labour and Starmer I am quite surprised that they haven't learnt the basic lesson of Blair which is that you need to be positive. Blair's election tune was "things can only get better" ffs.

Part of the attraction of Boris is that he is seen as up beat and positive.

Pollers know for a fact that this works with voters. What so many wonks/journalists/political obsessives don't seem to realise is that most voters aren't much interested in politics.
Interesting to see that Starmer has just ejected around 1,000 hardline Corbynistas from the Labour Party.

I am wondering if this is a good or bad move for Labour? He's morphing them back into New Labour slowly, but is that going to help their cause?
 

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Interesting to see that Starmer has just ejected around 1,000 hardline Corbynistas from the Labour Party.

I am wondering if this is a good or bad move for Labour? He's morphing them back into New Labour slowly, but is that going to help their cause?
Well it couldn't have got much worse. The odds are stacked against him, might as well do something drastic. As I said before, nothing to lose, everything to gain.
 

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Any thoughts on Dawn Butler today folks? Personally, I was mildly irked by the amount of words she said incorrectly bearing in mind she was reading them.
 

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Any thoughts on Dawn Butler today folks? Personally, I was mildly irked by the amount of words she said incorrectly bearing in mind she was reading them.
It's like she's got off school early before the summer hols by getting caught setting off the fire alarm. Since MP's aren't allowed to use the word liar, She did, Even after being asked not to by the Speaker she was sent to the naughty step.
 

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I suspect they’re not allowed to use the word liar as little else would be said in parliament at any time, ever.
 
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I thought she made a good point.
Johnson is an inveterate liar - not the first but a serial offender.

Because the House rules say you can't call a fellow MP a liar, those who consistently lie have an undeserved comfort zone.

Sometimes you have to stop pussyfooting around with the 'economical with the truth' cop out.
The concept of misleading the house now seems to be a mere irritant to be swatted away.
 

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I thought she made a good point.
Johnson is an inveterate liar - not the first but a serial offender.

Because the House rules say you can't call a fellow MP a liar, those who consistently lie have an undeserved comfort zone.

Sometimes you have to stop pussyfooting around with the 'economical with the truth' cop out.
The concept of misleading the house now seems to be a mere irritant to be swatted away.
I totally agree with your second and third paragraphs. I’m just not sure she made her point well, nor at a time when she could have any comeback. The video she mentions completely explains why they are lies, how and what the actual answers were. She needed to be more forensic, and less gotcha. In my humble.
 
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