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Mr Jinx

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The cricketer was representing England in a test which the ECB had chosen to take a stance against discrimination of all kinds.

In addition, he was 18 or 19 when he made the offensive tweets, while Ellish was 13 or 14 when she fcuked up. In short, the two situations are quite different.

For the record, I don't think Ollie Robinson should be banned from playing cricket but I can absolutely understand why he wasn't selected for the second test against New Zealand.
Ok, in that case please can you give us some guidelines as to what age it's OK to say the 'N' or the 'Ch**k' words? From what you write there, you imply it's ok to say them before 18, but not after. Would be good if you could clarify what is good vs bad racism, thanks.

Also, don't you think it's possible that people can change their minds and attitudes from their early 20's moving into their early 40's? I don't see we should have 18 (or 16) as some kind of dividing line.
 
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Ok, in that case please can you give us some guidelines as to what age it's OK to say the 'N' or the 'Ch**k' words? From what you write there, you imply it's ok to say them before 18, but not after. Would be good if you could clarify what is good vs bad racism, thanks.

Also, don't you think it's possible that people can change their minds and attitudes from their early 20's moving into their early 40's? I don't see we should have 18 (or 16) as some kind of dividing line.
In regard to your last line Big John Bercow a prime example of a person who has changed from being a very reactionary right winger to a socialist. As you say some kind of age dividing line is just arbitrary and daft.
 

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Regarding the current cultural war/divide, things will gradually work themselves out
and we will see which principles win.
The current generation of over 50's did not go to mixed ethnic schools and there were few ethnic role models. Some of them just can't get it into their heads that times are changing.
I truly believe that the current younger generation in general find it quite normal to see and mix with people with other ethnicities and are not racist at all
People have to realise that nations and their peoples evolve. We are now becoming a multi-ethnic society and the balance will increasingly swing towards the ethnic population. There's nothing that any of the grumpies can do about that - they're just going to have to suck it up. In 30 years or less racism will not be an issue in England : we are now hearing and seeing the last, dying embers of colonial attitudes.
So roll over grumpies, and tell the nationalists the news
 

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Ok, in that case please can you give us some guidelines as to what age it's OK to say the 'N' or the 'Ch**k' words? From what you write there, you imply it's ok to say them before 18, but not after. Would be good if you could clarify what is good vs bad racism, thanks.

Also, don't you think it's possible that people can change their minds and attitudes from their early 20's moving into their early 40's? I don't see we should have 18 (or 16) as some kind of dividing line.
It is true that we have all said things we regret and it is true that as people grow older they can change their minds. I'm sure when I was a kid at school I used terms like Krauts, Itis, Frogs, Chinks, Pakis (but never the N word). I would hope I have now grown out of using that kind of language.
The problem is the adults who never grow out of it.
We have laws which clearly treat kids differently from adults. A kid who murders is not treated so harshly as an adult who murders. So an arbitrary line drawn for tolerance of unacceptable comments could indeed be at 18 years of age.
As far as I'm concerned, if a person made a sexist, racist or homophobic comment in the past as an adult they should make an unambiguous public apology and be forced to do 2 hours a week public service for a year, focusing on school visits and talking about the -ism or -phobia that they suffer from.
 

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Apologies, I just googled and seen he's not back playing as far as I can see. Terrible stuff. I assumed he'd be back playing by now with the standard slap on the wrist and the knowledge he won't do it again.

Re guidelines, I'm a dinosaur, I barely know what is or isn't offensive so I'm literally the last person to ask!
Ollie Robinson is in fact included in the latest Sussex squad for the upcoming T20 Blast games. In fact he has never been suspended for Sussex and has been available to play but they gave him time off and then he played a second XI game to ease him back in. Since then their games have been washed out.

As far as England are concerned, it's down to the ECB to hurry up and get their investigation done quickly although the next England Test Match is not until August. He has never really been involved in the ODI/T20 squads before which are coming up for England now. The ECB do need to get this done quickly though in order for everyone to move forward.
 

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Ok, in that case please can you give us some guidelines as to what age it's OK to say the 'N' or the 'Ch**k' words? From what you write there, you imply it's ok to say them before 18, but not after. Would be good if you could clarify what is good vs bad racism, thanks.

Also, don't you think it's possible that people can change their minds and attitudes from their early 20's moving into their early 40's? I don't see we should have 18 (or 16) as some kind of dividing line.
You seem to have completely missed, or chosen to ignore, pretty much all the points I sought to make.

I don't think there's any age at which it's acceptable to be racist, but I do think it's easier to forgive something said by a 13-year-old child than a 19-year-old adult. That aside, if, for instance, Billie Ellish had been just about to represent the UK in Eurovision [imagine] I'd have had no problem whatsoever if the powers that be had asked her to stand aside in much the same way the ECB have Robinson.

And finally... of course people can change their attitudes [please point me to where I suggested otherwise] but that doesn't make racist behaviour in the past any more palatable.
 

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In regard to your last line Big John Bercow a prime example of a person who has changed from being a very reactionary right winger to a socialist. As you say some kind of age dividing line is just arbitrary and daft.
We have arbitrary age lines for voting, getting married, age of consent, drinking in pubs, driving +++, legal responsibility, yet you say arbitrary age lines are daft.
Are they all daft. The principle is the same, even though the case is different
 
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