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Plaid Cymru don't want independence do they? Not sure what the point of them is. Drakeford seems to be popular unlike Starmer who has made zero impact.
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Plaid Cymru (English: /ˌplaɪd ˈkʌmri/ PLYDE KUM-ree;[22] Welsh: [plaid ˈkəmri]; officially Plaid Cymru – the Party of Wales, often referred to simply as Plaid) is a Welsh nationalist and social democratic political party in Wales, which advocates for Welsh independence from the United Kingdom.
 

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Plaid Cymru don't want independence do they? Not sure what the point of them is. Drakeford seems to be popular unlike Starmer who has made zero impact.
It is a really difficult one with Starmer because in real terms he is probably the most genuine leader of a party this country has had in years. Miles ahead in the morale stakes than Johnson, May, Cameron and Blair and he has a history of doing good things in his past life so the press cannot slaughter him like they did with Corbyn for example, as their is not much to actually slaughter him with as he has a good history of work within Law etc.

But something with him doesn't cut through to the people and this has to be addressed somehow as this country cannot afford to have a Tory government beyond 2025.

It might be rather than wrong person more wrong time.

But i believe Johnson will fall from grace before 2025 because if there is one thing we know about Tories, its worry about whats going on behind you rather than in front of you.
 

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In RaWZ we trust....Amen.
So good news for Labour in Wales, Does Starmer need to look at Welsh Labour to see what they're doing right? Plus the Welsh Nationalists are not as popular as the Scots Nats are in Scotland, Does this help Labour?
I think as Elgy mentioned,probably down to Drakeford being central to the Covid response in Wales.

There is certainly more Nationalism & flag waving in Scotland compared to Wales.
 

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But i believe Johnson will fall from grace before 2025 because if there is one thing we know about Tories, its worry about whats going on behind you rather than in front of you.
It would have to be something really big, As these elections and the Polls show, The public don't seem to care, He's very teflon at the moment. You can spout out all about low turnouts etc but Johnson at the moment can virtually do as he likes and because the opposition is so weak he can exploit this.
 

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It would have to be something really big, As these elections and the Polls show, The public don't seem to care, He's very teflon at the moment. You can spout out all about low turnouts etc but Johnson at the moment can virtually do as he likes and because the opposition is so weak he can exploit this.
Suppose we will just have to watch this space n wait and see.
 

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Suppose we will just have to watch this space n wait and see.
Indeed, because if Johnson stays as teflon man, For any chance, Labour need to have a very hard long look at themselves, Talk to people all over the UK instead of preaching to them from London, Stop telling people they're all "Victims" and saying "We know what you want" in the patronising way they have been for the last decade, encourage self reliance, Appeal to the self employed, Middle income earners, Talk up the UK as a whole.
 

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In RaWZ we trust....Amen.
It would have to be something really big, As these elections and the Polls show, The public don't seem to care, He's very teflon at the moment. You can spout out all about low turnouts etc but Johnson at the moment can virtually do as he likes and because the opposition is so weak he can exploit this.
Tony Blair.Loved or loathed in Labour circles in equal measure,dismissed the nonsense about the flat decoration & Dyson phone calls.Saying any PM would have done the latter.
Mentioned that the majority of the general public would not be that bothered.
It was only of real interest in SW 1 & the political media circus.

Starmer would be well advised to listen to a Labour politician who has actually won a GE( 3 of them)
 

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I think it was Mandelson who said yesterday that Labour’s issues do not begin and end with who ever is their leader. The Labour movement has nothing to say to those it needs to vote for them again, pointing at Boris and saying he’s awful or waiting for Brexit to be a disaster is simply not good enough. I know I quote him a lot but Matthew Goodwin had it right in a tweet of his I read yesterday, he said politics in England is not defined by left and right or class now, it’s defined by values and culture. Too many are looking at the values and culture of the Labour Party and it’s people and making a negative judgment.
 
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