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DB9

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I simply hate two party politics DB. Both parties are largely useless and don't stand for anything people want. Neither of them have the ******** to do anything out of the ordinary despite the world changing massively in the last 20 years bumbling about avoiding all the massive elephants in the room. I'm not saying they have to be massively radical, but they do need to acknowledge the coming changes and be honest about it. But they won't, until it's too late.

As a nation, we've a crumbling infrastructure, we rely on hugely low interest rates to prop up our soon to be ailing stock exchange. Everything has been sold off to the highest bidder barring the NHS and we continue with this cycle of voting the same two parties in power so they can continue this. I find it very strange.

Edited to add the words bunch of arse, which will no doubt not make it through the swear filter.
You sound like me, Politically homeless, No one speaks to me, My concerns and my families concerns, We have the most duplicous Government ever with weakest Opposition, Both ruled by big business and Unions, Tories have never spoken up for me (IMHO) and now Labour, Instead of acknowledging their defeat in 2019, They still have their heads buried in the sand and the worst thing is they talk down to people, They insist they know our problems, They like to keep us as "Victims" it suits their agenda (Again IMHO) I'm not saying anything about the LD's because they are an irrelevance at the moment. It is a very sad state of affairs.
 

Alistair20000

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Labour’s own internal polling suggesting a heavy defeat in Hartlepool.

If correct the Jinxster and myself will have got this one badly wrong.

Labour now 5/1 to win with the Bookies.

Quite remarkable.
 

Hermann

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Labour’s own internal polling suggesting a heavy defeat in Hartlepool.

If correct the Jinxster and myself will have got this one badly wrong.

Labour now 5/1 to win with the Bookies.

Quite remarkable.
Conservatives will win it, without a shadow of a doubt. I genuinely don't understand why anyone is surprised.
 

IndoMike

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Yes, everything is pointing to a savage beating for Labour in Hartlepool and elsewhere. The only hope is that the polls have got it badly wrong.

If this happens, Johnson will feel absolutely free to do whatever pleases him. Patel will feel free to further constrain human rights in the UK. Dissent will be banned and accusations of misgovernment will be swept away.

Although it is hard to believe that the public have been conned hook, line and sinker, it seems that is the reality.

One of the biggest lies that the Tories have managed to fool the public with is the "levelling up" and social liberalism mantra. That will never happen under this Tory Govt : remember the Tories cutting free school meals during the holidays and the Tories giving nurses a pittance of a pay rise?

No, this collective madness, which includes BREXIT, is going to result in the rich becoming much richer and the poor much poorer.

I see this as a pivotal moment in the history of democracy in the UK. Ever since Johnson was quoted as saying how fascinated he was with the style of Trump's leadership - combined with the awful Bannon and Cummings combo - I have realised that the dumbing down process is in full flow. You get the Govt you deserve.
 

IndoMike

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I extracted this from a Guardian article :-


Treating “patriotism” as a static set of values that a metropolitan Labour party has carelessly abandoned misunderstands the challenge confronting Labour. The party has a dynamic relationship with patriotism, shaped by a rhetorical contest with its opponents over endless possible visions of the nation, and by peoples’ changing material circumstances. The story of our time is not the party’s abandonment of an English working class that has long been undergoing a wrenching process of decline. Rather, it’s of how the right has presided over an economy that rewards asset-owners at the expense of everyone else, while purging liberalism and social democracy from Britain’s political culture.

The result of this is a superficial, misanthropic kind of nationalism that is devoid of any real regard for Britain’s history or institutions, and is based on little more than blind deference to privilege, cruelty to outsiders, and contempt for our fellow citizens.
To voters, the main attraction of this new Tory nationalism is that it makes voting for Britain’s traditional governing party seem like an act of thrilling rebellion against the “woke orthodoxy” represented by under-40s living in big cities.
 
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