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Mr Jinx

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Not exactly us alone, We were part of an Allied force along with many other nations that help get rid of Hitler and Co. Plus in 1940 we did get our arses kicked by the Germans and got booted out of Europe by them via Dunkirk. Only a miracle that we managed to get 330k+ men back on UK soil but left everything behind.

The Dunkirk evacuation was nothing short of a very bold, brave and largely successful military operation. It contributed to a speedier end to WWII.

Also, Art brought up Russia. There's no doubt that without them the war would've rumbled on for much longer than it did. Little is mentioned however about the risky and daring convoys of military aid Britain (& others) sent Russia's way via sea over the top of Norway. Eighty-five merchant vessels and 16 Royal Navy warships were lost and, without the aid they received, Russia may have well lost Stalingrad which was the turning point.

Arctic convoys of World War II - Wikipedia
 
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Yes they did help us, but it was minimal; the very least they could've done at the time considering what was going on.




The Dunkirk evacuation was nothing short of a very bold, brave and largely successful military operation. It contributed to a speedier end to WWII.

Also, Art brought up Russia. There's no doubt that without them the war would've rumbled on for much longer than it did. Little is mentioned however about the risky and daring convoys of military aid Britain (& others) sent Russia's way via sea over the top of Norway. Eighty-five merchant vessels and 16 Royal Navy warships were lost.

Arctic convoys of World War II - Wikipedia
I can agree with what you say except about the US, It was a neutral country and the US public did not want to be involved in a foreign war, It was only until Pearl Harbor that changed, Roosevelt's hands were tied, In fact there was a huge "American-German" movement that wanted to support Hitler. At Dunkirk, We left behind virtually all the equipment of the BEF and the lend/lease helped us to rebuild before the US entered the war.
 

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I think that there should be a new thread entitled "Politics Yesterday"
No it shouldn't, This is still about our political and economic relationship with Europe and I'm afraid what happened 80 years ago moulded Europe and the UK and it is still relevant politically today, So this is the right thread.
 

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.......I don't see what it has morphed into (the current EU) as a peacemaker and possibly now a body that could exacerbate conflict......
As with the fear of future EU federalism, it's impossible to counter an entrenched negative viewpoint full of 'possibly' and 'could', because it's your fear, and no doubt a justification for the UK bailing out. Just like dear old Stuffers believing strongly, despite no evidence, that Germany and France are on the brink of attacking Russia, that is his fear. Tavy has a fear of supranational governance, the sharing of sovereignty, despite no evidence of it being detrimental to the UK's interest, in fact the reverse is true, as we're seeing daily now.

The very same fears fuelled by the Murdoch and Barclay press. Crack on fellas, pull up the drawbridge, erect the barriers once again, all these fears might become reality one day. Can't argue with that. :)
 

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This issue is just another facet of the modern left’s obsession with controlling the narrative. The contrary view has to be denounced, even if it’s the truth.
Dangerous place to be.
 

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Tavy has a fear of supranational governance, the sharing of sovereignty, despite no evidence of it being detrimental to the UK's interest, in fact the reverse is true, as we're seeing daily now.
Early days, although I could point to the EU’s and UK’s differing vaccines response to make a point. 😉
 

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As with the fear of future EU federalism, it's impossible to counter an entrenched negative viewpoint full of 'possibly' and 'could', because it's your fear, and no doubt a justification for the UK bailing out. Just like dear old Stuffers believing strongly, despite no evidence, that Germany and France are on the brink of attacking Russia, that is his fear. Tavy has a fear of supranational governance, the sharing of sovereignty, despite no evidence of it being detrimental to the UK's interest, in fact the reverse is true, as we're seeing daily now.

The very same fears fuelled by the Murdoch and Barclay press. Crack on fellas, pull up the drawbridge, erect the barriers once again, all these fears might become reality one day. Can't argue with that. :)
Elgy

No pulling up the drawbridge. We are looking out into the whole world beyond the stagnant waters of the EU and its "Project"

By the way, your beloved EU is not getting high marks for Covid vaccine roll out. Mutti no less is rearing up.
 

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This issue is just another facet of the modern left’s obsession with controlling the narrative. The contrary view has to be denounced, even if it’s the truth.
Dangerous place to be.
But it isn't Tavy. It's the modern Right's fear of anything different that doesn't benefit them, directly, financially.
 
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