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Alistair20000

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More Loony Tunes coming out from No 10.

Carbon Emissions Target Cut by 68% in the next decade.

I bet in 10 years time the Green Initiative will have resulted in 100s of Billions of pounds of taxpayers money in the pockets of a few corporations & shareholders on the back of the ones who can least afford it(ordinarily rate taxpayers) & of course the target not met.

No doubt there will be mythical ‘green jobs’ too.
A recent scheme in Scotland went down the pan for £57m after only 3 years(A Canadian company pocketed £30m)& no one needs reminding of the Cash for Ash in Northern Ireland.£1bn & counting.

As good as the environmental agenda is(I’m on board with much of it) I simply do not trust any government to be sensible with taxpayers money going forward.
Spot on. (y)
 

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According to the Office for National Statistics, fishing was worth £784m to the UK economy in 2018. By comparison, the financial services industry was worth £132bn.

The current agreement on fishing with the EU is indeed very unfair to the UK, but the reality is that Johnson is going to have to make a lot of concessions on fishing to facilitate a trade deal agreement with the EU.

According to the Office for National Statistics fishing was worth £784m to the UK economy in 2018 while the financial services industry was worth £132bn. He surely can't endanger the latter to stand firm on the former.

The answer surely is to support our fishing communities by offering them serious financial aid, job creation and training.

Johnson's initial claims that trade deals and other issues related to BREXIT would be "oven ready" and would be implemented "seamlessly" has not proven to be true. We should have realised that at the time
 

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Enjoyed Marr last night, especially the bit about the metropolitan elite imposing all sorts of liberal measures on a reluctant nation - abolition of the death penalty; legalising abortion, decriminalising homosexuality, race relations act - and the spirited resistance of Mary Whitehouse and her provincial backlash. I've never thought of Tavy as a Shropshire schoolteacher in horn-rimmed glasses before, I have to admit :)
 

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More Loony Tunes coming out from No 10.

Carbon Emissions Target Cut by 68% in the next decade.

I bet in 10 years time the Green Initiative will have resulted in 100s of Billions of pounds of taxpayers money in the pockets of a few corporations & shareholders on the back of the ones who can least afford it(ordinarily rate taxpayers) & of course the target not met.

No doubt there will be mythical ‘green jobs’ too.
A recent scheme in Scotland went down the pan for £57m after only 3 years(A Canadian company pocketed £30m)& no one needs reminding of the Cash for Ash in Northern Ireland.£1bn & counting.

As good as the environmental agenda is(I’m on board with much of it) I simply do not trust any government to be sensible with taxpayers money going forward.
What is "mythical" is Johnson's claim that there will be a Green Revolution with a deadline of 2030 for implementation.
This is just something he is throwing out to keep his lady Carrie happy and to sound forward- looking. Listen, it's easy to make promises now when you can't be made accountable for another 30 years. It's like Tizzer and his 5-year plans : never happened.
However, we do need a green revolution and all that entails. The question is if the powers that be have the determination to go through with it and if the public and Rupert Murdoch will support it
 

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However, we do need a green revolution and all that entails. The question is if the powers that be have the determination to go through with it and if the public and Rupert Murdoch will support it
I fear it will be the next front in the culture war. The usual suspects are mobilising the less well off to resist the elite telling them to give up their cars and foreign holidays...
 

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Enjoyed Marr last night, especially the bit about the metropolitan elite imposing all sorts of liberal measures on a reluctant nation - abolition of the death penalty; legalising abortion, decriminalising homosexuality, race relations act - and the spirited resistance of Mary Whitehouse and her provincial backlash. I've never thought of Tavy as a Shropshire schoolteacher in horn-rimmed glasses before, I have to admit :)
I’m glad to see that although you’ve come a tad late to the party art, you finally get what I and others have been wobbling on about for years. 👍
 

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I’m glad to see that although you’ve come a tad late to the party art, you finally get what I and others have been wobbling on about for years. 👍
Au contaire my dear friend. I've always known what you were on about - I just thought you were going down a cul de sac and this rather makes the point.
 

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LD's are a joke. Utterly failed to move on from Swinson. Not offering anything distinctive, just asking for even more money to be spent than Labour are. They even tore into the 'Green Agenda' published the other week and said it wasn't green enough - when most sage commentators said it was far too ambitious, costly and some of it was pipe dreams.

They should be making real headway with Tory anger in the South and Labour's unerring Metropolitan bias. They are often less than the Farage mob, that don't formally exist any more!
I think that's a bit harsh. Swinson, for all her faults, increased the Dems share of the vote by quite a bit. Her problem was that it wasn't as much as was expected (or hoped). It didn't help either that she lost her seat, which was always a distinct possibility.

The problems the LDs face is that after a stint careering leftwards, Labour are now veering back towards the centre ground and parking their tanks firmly on the Dems' lawn. Because of this Davey has obviously taken the decision to look to the flanks, ie let's be more green, more left, etc. I don't blame him, but it's up an uphill battle for both him and Starmer. Scotland has done them both over.
 

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I think that's a bit harsh. Swinson, for all her faults, increased the Dems share of the vote by quite a bit. Her problem was that it wasn't as much as was expected (or hoped). It didn't help either that she lost her seat, which was always a distinct possibility.

The problems the LDs face is that after a stint careering leftwards, Labour are now veering back towards the centre ground and parking their tanks firmly on the Dems' lawn. Because of this Davey has obviously taken the decision to look to the flanks, ie let's be more green, more left, etc. I don't blame him, but it's up an uphill battle for both him and Starmer. Scotland has done them both over.
Agreed. The substantial increase in LD votes in 2019 did not translate into seats. The classic problem for a third party trying to break the two party grip. See also UKIP and TBP.

Charles Kennedy successfully repositioned the Lib Dems left of Labour when he was leader to counter the support the Rev Blair had won on the centre ground. Will it work this time though ?
 

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Agreed. The substantial increase in LD votes in 2019 did not translate into seats. The classic problem for a third party trying to break the two party grip. See also UKIP and TBP.

Charles Kennedy successfully repositioned the Lib Dems left of Labour when he was leader to counter the support the Rev Blair had won on the centre ground. Will it work this time though ?
There’s talk of Labour pledging to back proportional voting going forward after the next GE.
 
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