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Rosencrantz

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I see Teaser tore strips off Oiky Gove today over the appointment of David Frost as National Security Adviser. You'd think he had enough on his plate with the small matter of the 'easiest deal in history' trade agreement to cross the i's and dot the t's of with M Barnier.

Seems odd that the day after Gove makes a long speech about, amongst other things, the 'lack of expertise' in Whitehall, that they appoint a NSA who has never held a military or security role.

Hey ho, joined up Government. Can't beat it.
Gove has no need for experts remember. We are heading for a more US style administration with political appointments over career officials. It might turn out to be more dynamic but can also be light on expertise, consistency along with a lack of effective checks and balances.
 

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Build . Build. Build.

What a bell end.
An improvement on Cut, Cut, Cut possibly.

Be interesting if they do start trying to build thousands of 'affordable family homes' on the precious Green Belt in the shires, together with the associated roads, schools and medical centres. Nothing, nothing causes more consternation in traditional Tory-shire than any proposed development of England's green and rubbish-strewn land.
 

IndoMike

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Since there appears to be a posts and reaction score willy waving contest going on it is probably worth pointing out that Rosencrantz has posted a mere 1839 posts yet garnered 757 reactions, a reaction rate of a staggering 41%.

This contrasts with the willy wavers who are at 5.4% and 0.3%

It should be pointed out that newer members will have higher scores, since the reaction facility only came in recently. This should not detract from recognising the quality of Rosie's contribution:cool:
I wasn't willy - waving,Arthur. Just pointing out to a poster who said that I should "give it a rest" and implying that nobody was interested in my posts that the evidence didn"t support that I did have the right to reply , didn't I?
 

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I see Teaser tore strips off Oiky Gove today over the appointment of David Frost as National Security Adviser. You'd think he had enough on his plate with the small matter of the 'easiest deal in history' trade agreement to cross the i's and dot the t's of with M Barnier.

Seems odd that the day after Gove makes a long speech about, amongst other things, the 'lack of expertise' in Whitehall, that they appoint a NSA who has never held a military or security role.

Hey ho, joined up Government. Can't beat it.
Johnson (Cummings) wants to keep it all in the family. Der grosse Fuhrer Cummings
wants to keep control of EVERYTHING.
 

arthur

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Build . Build. Build.


What a bell end.
My thoughts exactly Lego. I find him literally unwatchable - it's just excruciating.

But apparently some people like this approach - I remember Johnson's first PMQs when he swaggered about as if he had dined well before his peroration at the Oxford Union and people like Jinx and Tavy "liked the cut of his jib" and thought this captured the mood of the country. Not any country I want to live in, I thought, gloomy at the thought that they might be right.

But does this utter carp still cut it with "the people", post Cummings, post Coronavirus, post Corbyn? I'd be interested to know....
 

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My thoughts exactly Lego. I find him literally unwatchable - it's just excruciating.

But apparently some people like this approach - I remember Johnson's first PMQs when he swaggered about as if he had dined well before his peroration at the Oxford Union and people like Jinx and Tavy "liked the cut of his jib" and thought this captured the mood of the country. Not any country I want to live in, I thought, gloomy at the thought that they might be right.

But does this utter carp still cut it with "the people", post Cummings, post Coronavirus, post Corbyn? I'd be interested to know....
I think politicians personalities tend to grate if you disagree fundamentally with their politics or their stance on a particular issue.
No one is forcing you to live a country you don’t fancy living in, don’t you have an Irish connection?
Most people couldn’t give a stuff about the everyday bluster and bravado of politicians and will make a judgment based on performance come election time.
I like BJ’s positivity still, it was and still is a welcome anecdote to TM’s dull technocratic approach and the miserable and innate drudgery of Corbyn’s leftism.
The challenge for Starmer IMO, is to make a compelling patriotic hopeful case for why people should vote Labour. People like to believe in ‘sunlit uplands’.
 

arthur

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I think politicians personalities tend to grate if you disagree fundamentally with their politics or their stance on a particular issue.
No one is forcing you to live a country you don’t fancy living in, don’t you have an Irish connection?
Most people couldn’t give a stuff about the everyday bluster and bravado of politicians and will make a judgment based on performance come election time.
I like BJ’s positivity still, it was and still is a welcome anecdote to TM’s dull technocratic approach and the miserable and innate drudgery of Corbyn’s leftism.
The challenge for Starmer IMO, is to make a compelling patriotic hopeful case for why people should vote Labour. People like to believe in ‘sunlit uplands’.
I broadly agree with you, but Johnson's grate potential is of a different magnitude to other politicians I disagree with. I think it's something to do with the utter phoniness of it all and the fact that all he really cares about is himself. The positivity of which you speak is meaningless bluster, straight out of the Eton College pre match rugger bugger team talk and so repellent for all sorts of reasons. I remain hopeful that the majority of this country, despite your attempts to convince me otherwise, find Johnson a fraud and are not taken in by him, so my emigration plans are on hold...

And yes, people should believe in sunlit uplands and vote accordingly, rather than out of fear and loathing. It's just that I don't find Johnson's remotely believable. As Elgin has remarked, why have the northern left-behind hitched themselves/been hitched to a low tax, low regulation, global free market bunch of chancers? I hope and believe Starmer can rise to the challenge you have outlined and you and I can walk hand in hand to the polling station in the not too distant future :)
 

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I broadly agree with you, but Johnson's grate potential is of a different magnitude to other politicians I disagree with. I think it's something to do with the utter phoniness of it all and the fact that all he really cares about is himself. The positivity of which you speak is meaningless bluster, straight out of the Eton College pre match rugger bugger team talk and so repellent for all sorts of reasons. I remain hopeful that the majority of this country, despite your attempts to convince me otherwise, find Johnson a fraud and are not taken in by him, so my emigration plans are on hold...

And yes, people should believe in sunlit uplands and vote accordingly, rather than out of fear and loathing. It's just that I don't find Johnson's remotely believable. As Elgin has remarked, why have the northern left-behind hitched themselves/been hitched to a low tax, low regulation, global free market bunch of chancers? I hope and believe Starmer can rise to the challenge you have outlined and you and I can walk hand in hand to the polling station in the not too distant future :)
What do you thing is the answer art ?
 
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