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Furlough the players to avoid a cashflow crisis

Alistair20000

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Hyperbole is something to be avoided at the moment...The global death toll is still below 100,000 (a shocking total in itself) but you go on to suggest that the UK on its own could be left with "hundreds of thousands" dead from the disease which is beyond the realms of possibility.

There are “expert” opinions out there that say the death rate from Covid-19 might be 1% of those who catch it. If the whole population catches it that is 60 million at 1% = 600,000 which is hundreds of thousands.

Those opinions might be wrong of course.
 

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There are “expert” opinions out there that say the death rate from Covid-19 might be 1% of those who catch it. If the whole population catches it that is 60 million at 1% = 600,000 which is hundreds of thousands.

Those opinions might be wrong of course.
And the likelihood of "everyone" catching it?
 

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And the likelihood of "everyone" catching it?
Fairly good i would have thought without a lockdown given the transmission rate this virus has.
 

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Fairly good i would have thought without a lockdown given the transmission rate this virus has.
Government are working on the assumption of up to 80% catching it, very unlikely to be 100% due to immunity across the community once it gets to 60%
 

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Government are working on the assumption of up to 80% catching it, very unlikely to be 100% due to immunity across the community once it gets to 60%
Are you setting a cryptic puzzle Max?
 

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Apologies. The post I replied to from you simply said 'government i'. Even so at 80% with a potential 1% mortality still runs into the hundreds of thousands. We are a very crowded island.
 

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Hyperbole is something to be avoided at the moment...The global death toll is still below 100,000 (a shocking total in itself) but you go on to suggest that the UK on its own could be left with "hundreds of thousands" dead from the disease which is beyond the realms of possibility.
I think you misunderstand, I was posting about herd immunity specifically and if the UK carried on its original course of letting the virus run through the population to create herd immunity it would supposedly have needed 60% of the population to contract that virus. It was the scientific answer to how we get out of this situation quickly. However, as pointed out above the mortality rate whilst sounding low at 1% when scaled up to 40 million...I'll let you do the math. Boris and the rest of the government were given models by the scientists that if left unchecked, there could have been over 200k deaths and a severely overrun NHS. See https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2020/estimates-relative-impact-different-covid-19-control-measures-uk for an example study although not peer reviewed.

It would be a very brave/callous government who could let that happen when there was a way of mitigating those outcomes, in this case lockdown. It would be political suicide if nothing else. So the government changed tack (some may say belatedly) and the figures will not be as high. They are hoping to keep the fatalities south of 20k.

As shown in other countries the key without a readily available treatment or vaccine to come out of a full lockdown is testing and lots of it once the peak has passed. We are not in that situation yet. Then herd immunity can take place. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/science-and-technology/2020/03/uk-backed-herd-immunity-beat-covid-19-well-ultimately-need-it/amp

I know listening to specialists hasn't been fashionable and you are free to live your life as you want within the law. When something serious pops up though, I'll listen to the specialists.
 

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I have defended the BPL players throughout this thread, and I have been proved right. I said we had to be patient until they organised a system for collecting and distributing funds, and I was right.
Jordan Henderson was already starting to organise this before Hancock's shameful speech pointing the finger at the players as a diversion from his complete incompetence.
I just saw John Barnes speaking on the BBC. He has hit the nail on the head. He says the ruling class and their friends in the press don't like it that young, working class lads make it rich so target them. As he says, if you're from Eton, Harrow or Oxford nobody criticises you for not making financial contributions.
Our naive, gullible posters who also criticised the players on the basis of Hancock's deceit should also be ashamed of themselves. Apologize, if you have the ballz!!
 

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Are we talking of the made in China testing kits here that were found to be faulty ? Assuming that is not fake news. If so rather difficult to do quality control until we received them.
No it isn't. Quality control does not mean checking every item of testing equipment. You check some samples. I don't know where the testing equipment was made : that's not the point, is it?
 

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Yes we are Alistair , As our government didn't get to check them before they got here then there wasn't any real way of checking suitability for purpose.
But as normal Micky Mouse butts in and rants on about things because he hasn't seen them in black n white in the Guardian who only publish the truth as far as he is concerned.
Your first sentence is double Dutch. Can't you at least explain yourself clearly?
Your second sentence is a jackass attempt to get a friend on your side and totally avoids my reply to your nonsensical post.
You're another one who acts as an apologist for our incompetent Govt. whilst nurses, doctors, auxiliary staff and patients are dying due to lack of testing and lack of PPE equipment..
Think about it.
I do love the attention you afford to me. Thanks. But the point is not me - the point is get the farking testing and PPE NOW! Isn't 3 months enough time!!
 
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