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Spoonz Red E

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The FGR stadium is ecologically viable to get to.
Reachable by tandem from Exeter. :cool:
 

Fareham Grecian

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And like BS if you are not.

The problem is here and it is *now*. Wind turbines cannot solve our problems as you need "baseload" plant. As we have shut down coal and there are supply and storage problems for gas, we are uniquely vulnerable in the UK.

Wind is producing 15% of our electricity at the moment, it was down to 7% at times last week when it was calm. Gas half, nuclear 11%, biomass (imported wood pellets at Drax) 7%.

If we have a cold winter with calm days and even one nuclear or large gas plant goes off-line, there are going to be "brown outs" as the euphemism has it.
For ‘UK’ read ‘Englnd’. Scotland have just quietly got on with it and are now self sufficient in energy from wind and hydro
 

John William

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For ‘UK’ read ‘Englnd’. Scotland have just quietly got on with it and are now self sufficient in energy from wind and hydro
Only if you ignore nuclear, which is about 25% of output and essential for baseload but is being shut down, and the National Grid.

In fact most of the time Scotland has a surplus and exports south through the grid. But that means they are vulnerable - on calm days they import from England (or N Ireland through the Moyle interconnector) as they have insufficient basedload non-wind capacity.

They will have one one nuclear plant from 2022 when Hunterston closes, Torness which will close by 2030 and have only one gas fired station.

If Scotland were independent and disconnected from rUK they would need to invest in pumped storage and battery backup, as they have little photovoltaic opportunity. Doable given time but PS is expensive and has long lead times and large scale battery is in its infancy. Or they could have an interconnector from Scandanavia, but the distance is a problem.
 

Oldsmobile-88

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In RaWZ we trust....Amen.
Just to continue on from Johns post,on Twitter there is a contributor who posts the UK Energy mix every 4 hours.The fluctuations in the generation mix is interesting.
On some days Gas was at near 60% of generation.Obviously not good to have that heavy reliance going forward.
Worth a follow on Twitter.

 

Super Ronnie Jepson

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Only if you ignore nuclear, which is about 25% of output and essential for baseload but is being shut down, and the National Grid.

In fact most of the time Scotland has a surplus and exports south through the grid. But that means they are vulnerable - on calm days they import from England (or N Ireland through the Moyle interconnector) as they have insufficient basedload non-wind capacity.

They will have one one nuclear plant from 2022 when Hunterston closes, Torness which will close by 2030 and have only one gas fired station.

If Scotland were independent and disconnected from rUK they would need to invest in pumped storage and battery backup, as they have little photovoltaic opportunity. Doable given time but PS is expensive and has long lead times and large scale battery is in its infancy. Or they could have an interconnector from Scandanavia, but the distance is a problem.
Even if they were independent the import of energy from elsewhere would continue. Yesterday we were importing from Netherlands, Belgium and France at the same time as exporting to Ireland. Energy supply is the same as other global markets these days.
 
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