Sadly Geoffrey I do not see us holding out if there is a full day but would be delighted to be proved wrong.Do you not see us batting out the day Al? It will certainly be a marker as to whether the fragile temperament we have become so used to has been improved or not. I read that England were working on a plan to win the ashes back!! Then i saw what the aussies did to Pakistan, absolute destruction. Working on a plan now sounds like an empty sound bite.