Joel Randall (to Peterborough)

[SaintJames]

I feel that we maybe over valuing Joel a bit based on half a season in L2. A £1M price tag is probably too rich for L1, and at the moment he's still a punt for a championship club, so they will also no doubt be worried about shelling out that much.
What we are seeing here though is the flipside of the argument against announcing transfer fees. The argument for this is usually that if other clubs no how much money we've got it weakens our hand when buying, but in this case as a selling club, other clubs knowing we've got a bit of cash in our back pockets, will help us fend off stupid bids and make it far more likely that a player's true value will be arrived at.

Bill, football is a small world to those on the inside. Agents talk and there's not a chance in hell that each and every fee we have received isn't known to clubs when they bid! Charlton know full well that Joel's value doesnt lie in his price today but his value to Charlton in around 12 months time when he makes a major impact in their team and his value 18 months after that to a bigger club. We most definitely are not under valuing this boy imo

 

[Rosencrantz]

I feel that we maybe over valuing Joel a bit based on half a season in L2. A £1M price tag is probably too rich for L1, and at the moment he's still a punt for a championship club, so they will also no doubt be worried about shelling out that much.
What we are seeing here though is the flipside of the argument against announcing transfer fees. The argument for this is usually that if other clubs no how much money we've got it weakens our hand when buying, but in this case as a selling club, other clubs knowing we've got a bit of cash in our back pockets, will help us fend off stupid bids and make it far more likely that a player's true value will be arrived at.

I don't think it's about over valuing Joel. It's a message to other clubs that we want Joel to stay and play for another season or so. The only offers we will listen to are silly money ones that will put most clubs off. As others and yourself state, we are currently in a strong position financially so do not have to sell for money reasons alone.

 

[Red Bill]

Bill, football is a small world to those on the inside. Agents talk and there's not a chance in hell that each and every fee we have received isn't known to clubs when they bid! Charlton know full well that Joel's value doesnt lie in his price today but his value to Charlton in around 12 months time when he makes a major impact in their team and his value 18 months after that to a bigger club. We most definitely are not under valuing this boy imo

I agree with most of what you say here SJ, it's a little farcical to pretend that transfer fees aren't widely known and useully turn out to be as reported, but it is a line often trotted out by our club (and others), my point is that others knowing what's in our wallet works both ways, depending on whether we're buying or selling.
As for his value, the fact is that Charlton don't know his value in 12 months of 18 months later, no one can say that. There have been a multitude of young players who've arrived on the scene looking like the stars of the future that have never ended up fulfilling their potential, Charlton will know this as will everyone else in football. These are precarious times and if I was Charlton, i'd want to see a bit more of Joel before I was prepared to take a gamble and spend a million pounds. Football and life in general would be so much easier if we could predict the future but as we can't, every transfer is a gamble!

 

[Red Bill]

I don't think it's about over valuing Joel. It's a message to other clubs that we want Joel to stay and play for another season or so. The only offers we will listen to are silly money ones that will put most clubs off. As others and yourself state, we are currently in a strong position financially so do not have to sell for money reasons alone.

Not sure what you're saying here mate, are you saying the £1M price tag is just to put off other clubs other than those willing to pay over the odds but our valuation is probably a lot lower?

 

[grecIAN Harris]

Not sure what you're saying here mate, are you saying the £1M price tag is just to put off other clubs other than those willing to pay over the odds but our valuation is probably a lot lower?

It's a case of that if Joel develops as we see him doing so, that is what his eventual worth will be. If you're daft enough to take him before then, we still want our moneys worth regardless of whether he is actually at that value now or not. Pay your money and take your chances otherwise bugger off.

 

[Martin Lawrence]

It's a case of that if Joel develops as we see him doing so, that is what his eventual worth will be. If you're daft enough to take him before then, we still want our moneys worth regardless of whether he is actually at that value now or not. Pay your money and take your chances otherwise bugger off.

Yep and I think this is the position we are taking with JR.

 

[Grecian Max]

£1m isn’t even that much these days, Peterborough and others have paid a fee like that before and they’re generally a decent league 1 side...

It feels around the right price for him

 

[Billy The Fish]

Charlton bid again.

Celtic news: Charlton bid for Randall rejected - EXCLUSIVE

Football Insider can exclusively reveal that Charlton Athletic have had a £500,000 bid rejected for Celtic target Joe Randall

www.footballinsider247.com

 

[ryancooper327]

Charlton bid again.

Celtic news: Charlton bid for Randall rejected - EXCLUSIVE

Football Insider can exclusively reveal that Charlton Athletic have had a £500,000 bid rejected for Celtic target Joe Randall

www.footballinsider247.com

To be fair I think we’d accept anything between 500k to a mil. Especially with a sell on.

 

[Red Bill]

It's a case of that if Joel develops as we see him doing so, that is what his eventual worth will be. If you're daft enough to take him before then, we still want our moneys worth regardless of whether he is actually at that value now or not. Pay your money and take your chances otherwise bugger off.

That's a good and very bullish position to take and it's great to see us in the position to take it, but if this is the club's thinking, it's also sort of an admission that at this moment in time he isnt actually worth that much. Which from the grammar in your post you seem to be accepting.
Don't get me wrong, I think its great to see us strongly trying to hold on to our players (if that's what's happening of course) and I've said in the past that i'd like to see us try this kind of thing, but i can't help feeling that if there is any truth in our suppositions here, that there are some double standards going on. When I suggested on another thread a while ago that we should refuse to sell a player and insist he honoured his contract, I was met with the usual comments that we must never stand in the way of a player wanting to progress his career and that if we did we'd never get another young player to sign for us. So i have to pose the question, if we are preventing a player moving on to a top L1 team by insisting on an over inflated valuation of his current worth, how is that not standing in his way? Of course you feel he is worth £1M right now then this argument holds no weight, but from your post above, it seems that you feel that that's what his value will be in the future, not what he's worth now.