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[Alistair20000]

It will be interesting to see how voters react to this.

Breaking a manifesto pledge on taxes rarely ends up well.

I wonder what Sir Keith will have to say ? Hopefully not just Yah Boo. He needs a serious alternative plan because this is an issue that needs to be faced having been ducked for years by governments of all the main parties.

 

[angelic upstart]

Everyone affected, everyone contributes in my view. The low paid already contribute very little in income tax, and isn’t NI traditionally linked to paying for the NHS anyway?

So many people don't pay NI or tiny amounts. If you earn over 9.5k you pay NI at 12% until you earn 50k, and it's drops to 2%.
Pensioners don't pay for NI and the self employed pay less (9% I think) and often £3 a week.

Being that social care is frequently including the elderly, it's difficult to see this as a fair way of doing things.

Frankly, the rates of indirect taxation in the UK are shameless and the people should be far more aware of how they're being shafted.

 

[LOG]

Has employer NI been mentioned in this? I've only seen references to employee NI.

 

[tavyred]

Not correct. NIC does not apply to earnings of employed workers over pension age, nor to self employed profits of folk over pension age. Nor to pension income nor investment income.

Unless of course the scope of NIC is to be widened.

This rise will hit workers to allow the elderly to pass on more wealth to their sometimes undeserving children.

Put up Inheritance Tax instead to pay for this.

No applause from me for Bunter on this one.

I think it reasonable for pension age folks after a lifetime of paying NI to be excused it in their later years, even if they are still gainfully employed.
The fact is we have a large amount of younger workers working part time in receipt of in work benefits and probably paying very little in the way of income tax to boot.
It’s an important principle in my view that everyone pays into the pot, even the low paid.

 

[manc grecian]

I think it reasonable for pension age folks after a lifetime of paying NI to be excused it in their later years, even if they are still gainfully employed.
The fact is we have a large amount of younger workers working part time in receipt of in work benefits and probably paying very little in the way of income tax to boot.
It’s an important principle in my view that everyone pays into the pot, even the low paid.

A ban on zero hours contracts incoming from The Conservative socialist party then. All these youngsters deliberately working part time

 

[Alistair20000]

I think it reasonable for pension age folks after a lifetime of paying NI to be excused it in their later years, even if they are still gainfully employed.
The fact is we have a large amount of younger workers working part time in receipt of in work benefits and probably paying very little in the way of income tax to boot.
It’s an important principle in my view that everyone pays into the pot, even the low paid.

NIC and Income Tax should be merged. Why should a worker pay NIC when a landlord does not on his rental income ?

I agree very much that everyone should pay in something. I did not agree with Gordon Brown when he got rid of the 10% starting tax rate.

 

[Alistair20000]

Has employer NI been mentioned in this? I've only seen references to employee NI.

No reference yet to Employer NIC but it is all media talk at present. Nothing official. No doubt leaked to test the reaction.

 

[tavyred]

A ban on zero hours contracts incoming from The Conservative socialist party then. All these youngsters deliberately working part time

It’s a racket manc, and one of the reasons some U.K. businesses and their representative bodies are squealing like stuff pigs about the loss of cheap EU labour, its because so many of those workers loved the part time/in work benefits lifestyle. Tesco’s and the rest also loved having their workforce subsidised by the state.
1.66 million job vacancies last week in the UK, I’m guessing anyone not wanting a zero hours contract probably doesn’t have to have one at the moment. Surprisingly, quite a few people on zero hours contracts actually quite like them.

 

[angelic upstart]

Apologies, accidental.

 

[angelic upstart]

It’s a racket manc, and one of the reasons some U.K. businesses and their representative bodies are squealing like stuff pigs about the loss of cheap EU labour, its because so many of those workers loved the part time/in work benefits lifestyle. Tesco’s and the rest also loved having their workforce subsidised by the state.
1.66 million job vacancies last week in the UK, I’m guessing anyone not wanting a zero hours contract probably doesn’t have to have one at the moment. Surprisingly, quite a few people on zero hours contracts actually quite like them.

Many of those 1.66 million jobs provide decent pay and progression for 18 year olds with little to no GCSE's ?

I didn't think so either. They're usually shafted with a lower minimum wage which of course is subsidised by the taxpayer. They'll not earn enough to pay NI regardless.

Just out of interest why should the children and young people of today pay for their wealthy, elderly counterparts?