GENERAL ELECTION 2019

[Jason H]

What I would also say is that often it seems to be that those actively involved tend to be "nicer" than people yelling from the sidelines.

On Saturday morning while out delivering a chap asked us if we were canvassing - I replied that we were delivering to Conservative postal voters. He said he had a bunch of Labour ones to deliver later that day. We parted on good terms, saying that at least we had a nice day for it (if cold).

 

[Bittners a Legend]

What I would also say is that often it seems to be that those actively involved tend to be "nicer" than people yelling from the sidelines.

On Saturday morning while out delivering a chap asked us if we were canvassing - I replied that we were delivering to Conservative postal voters. He said he had a bunch of Labour ones to deliver later that day. We parted on good terms, saying that at least we had a nice day for it (if cold).

I'm not involved with any party and I wouldn't dream of abusing anybody delivering leaflets or anything else. It is just about fundamental human decency, something increasingly missing from our politics. There are consequences to what all of us say and do. For the most part I think Exeweb's debate is conducted on very good terms but even on here all the usual tropes about traitors and the rest of it get repeated blithely and as if it it is a normal or reasonable thing to say about somebody. Those that behave so appallingly in public are given licence and encouragement by those that write the same things online.

 

[Hermann]

I'm not involved with any party and I wouldn't dream of abusing anybody delivering leaflets or anything else. It is just about fundamental human decency, something increasingly missing from our politics. There are consequences to what all of us say and do. For the most part I think Exeweb's debate is conducted on very good terms but even on here all the usual tropes about traitors and the rest of it get repeated blithely and as if it it is a normal or reasonable thing to say about somebody. Those that behave so appallingly in public are given licence and encouragement by those that write the same things online.

To be fair, I don't think it exclusive to politics. Human beings are naturally tribal, and will take any excuse to join a group and stick with it through thick and thin, then fight off all the other groups. I'm sure most of us have seen the same at football matches.

 

[Mr Jinx]

Did it make you reflect on your own use of language? What do you think happens to "remain" supporting MPs as a result of the narrative of "traitors" gleefully spread online in many quarters?

No, not really.

Remain supporting MP's deserve all they get at the moment imho.

 

[Bittners a Legend]

No, not really.

Remain supporting MP's deserve all they get at the moment imho.

...and herein lies the problem. Just sad.

 

[DB9]

No, not really.

Remain supporting MP's deserve all they get at the moment imho.

Really? You might not agree with them but in no way are they there to take vile abuse from the public or anyone

 

[Alistair20000]

No, not really.

Remain supporting MP's deserve all they get at the moment imho.

As long as it is with reasoned arguments delivered with civility

 

[Mr Jinx]

No, not really.

Remain supporting MP's deserve all they get at the moment imho.

Actually, I will caveat/correct that sorry:

Remain supporting MP's representing Leave heavy constituencies deserve all they get at the moment imho. And caveats to that will be MPs like Caroline Flint who, although she did support Remain, is now sympathetic to the Leave cause.

Conversely, so do Leave supporting MPs representing Remain heavy constituencies to a degree (although it was Leave that won). Burrowes falls into the latter (if he does get re-elected), but the abuse he was getting when I was there had nothing to do with Brexit.

 

[Hermann]

Actually, I will caveat/correct that sorry:

Remain supporting MP's representing Leave heavy constituencies deserve all they get at the moment imho. And caveats to that will be MPs like Caroline Flint who, although she did support Remain, is now sympathetic to the Leave cause.

Conversely, so do Leave supporting MPs representing Remain heavy constituencies to a degree (although it was Leave that won). Burrowes falls into the latter (if he does get re-elected), but the abuse he was getting when I was there had nothing to do with Brexit.

And therein lies the crux of the matter. As long as this attitude persists, vitriol and abuse will always be part of politics in this country.

 

[Mr Jinx]

And therein lies the crux of the matter. As long as this attitude persists, vitriol and abuse will always be part of politics in this country.

How can politicians demand respect when they deny democracy?