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jrg333

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Obviously young Stansfield's entitled to do what's best for his career but the lack of loyalty doesn't say much for his character or for the character of the people advising him. Won't get the support and opportunities at Fulham that he would have had here. Without wanting to be too cynical I expect that he'll regret the decision in the long-run.
 

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Obviously young Stansfield's entitled to do what's best for his career but the lack of loyalty doesn't say much for his character or for the character of the people advising him. Won't get the support and opportunities at Fulham that he would have had here. Without wanting to be too cynical I expect that he'll regret the decision in the long-run.
I fail to understand exactly what 'loyalty' he is expected to show towards ECFC, over and above that of any other lad in the Academy. I'm sure, had he still been alive, that Adam would not have wanted him to have been given any different treatment than the rest of the lads in his year.
Where does your information come from for you to say; Won't get the support and opportunities at Fulham that he would have had here. ?

I for one, hope that he prospers at Fulham and look forward to following his progress through to football at both Premiership and International levels, where he will make his Dad proud of him.
 

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Also, it does mean the club is spared a potentially tricky decision down the line. Say it was between him and another young striker of ours, with only one being able to go pro, would it really be possible to separate circumstances from footballing ability? I wouldn't be surprised if the kid thinks about this too, and wants to prove himself based on merit and not his name.

Imagine the pressure of the kid's shoulders.

And then he gets a call from Fulham. Great opportunities, great academy setup, opportunity to get a fresh start. Can't blame him at all.
 

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I fail to understand exactly what 'loyalty' he is expected to show towards ECFC, over and above that of any other lad in the Academy. I'm sure, had he still been alive, that Adam would not have wanted him to have been given any different treatment than the rest of the lads in his year.
Where does your information come from for you to say; Won't get the support and opportunities at Fulham that he would have had here. ?

I for one, hope that he prospers at Fulham and look forward to following his progress through to football at both Premiership and International levels, where he will make his Dad proud of him.
I dunno. Maybe the fact WE NAMED A STAND AFTER HIS DAD. And sing a song for him for 45% of every game.

He is absolutely entitled to do whatever he likes. I bear no grudges. But when you consider the most highly-rated youth player outside the Prem (Sessignon) was basically seen as nobody when he actually got into the Prem you have to wonder how far you can get in the game as Fulham B-side player.

Stay at City. Shine out like Beacon then the football world is your lobster. Go to Fulham and you just become another 1% trying to tread water and stay above the dross.
 

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Maybe the fact WE NAMED A STAND AFTER HIS DAD. And sing a song for him for 45% of every game.
That's some immense pressure on that kid's shoulders then. Some people can use that to drive themselves on, others want to just get their head down without that spotlight on them. Neither way is 'wrong'.
 

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That's some immense pressure on that kid's shoulders then. Some people can use that to drive themselves on, others want to just get their head down without that spotlight on them. Neither way is 'wrong'.
Absolutely. There would be immense pressure if he stayed here. But he would also get unconditional support. Every dodgy touch and terrible shot would be forgiven.

He won't get that at Fulham.

I wish him no ill at all. Zero. Nada. He deserves the absolute best after what he has been through.

I also know that football is a horrible business with ZERO sentimentality. If he's not considered good enough at Fulham he will be released to the wolves. Remember Abrahams, Donovan Wilson or Ogbene? Outside their comfort blanket they looked shockingly average and barely able to justify a League 2 starting place. Football is a cruel mistress.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if the kid wants to prove himself based on merit and not his name.

Imagine the pressure of the kid's shoulders.

Can't blame him at all.
TE’s points are spot on. Two things to add. First we happen to know that Jay has had to be brought up since the age of seven in a single parent family, the eldest of three children. That will have been tough and ECFC say how much effort parent(s) of academy players have to put in, ferrying around etc. This move will mean a professional contract where Jay can contribute financially to the family and rely less on his mother who has a living to earn and two other children to bring up.

So Jay joins a long line of young men who have moved away a) out of the shadow of a well known parent and b) as the oldest male in the family grown up to start earning earlier/ more .

Secondly on the loyalty issues, by way of balance, didn’t ECFC also reject Adam Stansfield as a youngster saying he wasn’t good enough?
 

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Bearing in mind Ethan Ampadu and Chelski nicking him, where does the club stand with regards to fees with the Jay Stansfield alleged scenario presumably we should be due some fees. Be strange and worrying if we aren't, particularly with another of our school boys allegedly being chased by premier clubs to be signed up next year, will we be letting that go as well?

I say alleged as I haven't seen anything from the club about it only him signing on, nor from the great west information machine that is DevonLive
 

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Jay signed a contract a coupe of months back. I think that mean he goes for a transfer fee, rather than EPPP.

I think Ben Chisene will go to Liverpool (probably) for a small amount under the EPPP rules.
 

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Matt is talking up Ben Chrisene a lot. Seems quite excited about him.
It's a bit annoying that we find them, start to prepare them, and then lose them.- in effect acting as a nursery for the bigger clubs.
It's not the fault of the young players or their family that they are tempted away (we'd all be the same) but the rules need to slant more towards the nursery club. It is in the interest of all that small clubs like City have a better financial incentive to run academies.
 

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It's not the fault of the young players or their family that they are tempted away (we'd all be the same) but the rules need to slant more towards the nursery club. It is in the interest of all that small clubs like City have a better financial incentive to run academies. [/QUOTE said:
Totally agree but can't see it happening anytime soon.
 

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Matt is talking up Ben Chrisene a lot. Seems quite excited about him.
It's a bit annoying that we find them, start to prepare them, and then lose them.- in effect acting as a nursery for the bigger clubs.
It's not the fault of the young players or their family that they are tempted away (we'd all be the same) but the rules need to slant more towards the nursery club. It is in the interest of all that small clubs like City have a better financial incentive to run academies.
The money we get under EPPP rules is pathetic. Maybe a new rule attached, where there is an automatic sell on % for any player poached from lower league academies. Maybe for any kids who've spent at least 5 years in an academy, there would be an automatic 20% sell on or a direct payment after 5 and 10 years if they stay at the new club long term.
 

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The only way we can exist as a club is if we develop then sell academy players. If our best players move before we ever see them or before they sign a pro contract it starts to make a mockery of having an academy in the first place. Something needs to change.
 
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