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Boyo

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A post on another thread got me thinking what our current wage structure would look like. Now I think our baseline playing budget is approx £1.2m per year, and we are currently topping that up to the tune of £500k per season (for the next couple of years) due to recent transfer income. That provides a total budget of £1.7m. Based on these assumptions and a optimum squad size of 25, then perhaps our wage structure looks something like the below. In essence we could pay a few first year pro's £400 / week and our senior players all in excess of £1,000 / week, with a few of the 'stars' considerably more.

Weekly Annual
1 … £3,000 …. £156,000
2 … £3,000 …. £156,000
3 … £2,500 …. £130,000
4 … £2,500 …. £130,000
5 … £2,000 …. £104,000
6 … £2,000 …. £104,000
7 … £2,000 …. £104,000
8 … £1,500 …. £78,000
9 … £1,500 …. £78,000
10 … £1,500 …. £78,000
11 … £1,000 …. £52,000
12 … £1,000 …. £52,000
13 … £1,000 …. £52,000
14 … £1,000 …. £52,000
15 … £800 …. £41,600
16 … £800 …. £41,600
17 … £800 …. £41,600
18 … £800 …. £41,600
19 … £800 …. £41,600
20 … £600 …. £31,200
21 … £600 …. £31,200
22 … £600 …. £31,200
23 … £400 …. £20,800
24 … £400 …. £20,800
25 … £400 …. £20,800
...... £32,500... £1,690,000

I stress this is all complete guesswork, but would welcome people's views ...
 

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If our 10th highest paid player is on 1.5k a week we need to start getting far better value !
 
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If our 10th highest paid player is on 1.5k a week we need to start getting far better value !
Given that (by implication at least) he's part of our starting ELEVEN perhaps not so far fetched.

A great and insightful bit of work there boyo. (y). A bit of a reality check there for some of the more critical supporters - especially those absent "friends" who contribute nothing save carping from the sidelines.
 

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So considering this is a thread for total and utter guesswork what the fook do people think Hamon was on ?

Remember lads, Tisdale said he never wasted a penny and often got £1.50 for every £1 he spent.
 
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So considering this is a thread for total and utter guesswork what the fook do people think Hamon was on ?

Remember lads, Tisdale said he never wasted a penny and often got £1.50 for every £1 he spent.
Surely - by the OP banding - £6/800 /week
 

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My understanding is that our baseline budget (minus windfalls) is about £1.4 million, with us topping up to over £2 million from cash in the bank.

On that calculation we have about 3 years left before the cash in the bank is depleted (assuming there are no more significant cash windfalls). That then puts us in the position of having a baseline budget that is bottom 3rd in the division.
 

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My understanding is that our baseline budget (minus windfalls) is about £1.4 million, with us topping up to over £2 million from cash in the bank.

On that calculation we have about 3 years left before the cash in the bank is depleted (assuming there are no more significant cash windfalls). That then puts us in the position of having a baseline budget that is bottom 3rd in the division.
I think that's a little high, Martin.

I've been told the baseline budget is around £1.1m, which is currently being topped up to around £1.5m. Competitive but by no means at the level of some big spenders.
 

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Whatever the budget is, its not enough to get us out of this division, and thats with the recent cash windfalls. A few seasons of no major sales and we could find ourselves back in the Conference.

We might get between 1m to 2m from any future Watkins sale, and a few more quid drip fed from Chelsea, but as we all know our current business model isn't sustainable longer term if we want to progress.
 

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Don't the coaching and support staff also come out of this "playing" budget?
And presumably employers national insurance at 13.8%? And agents fees. And loan players, who have grown the squad size to 30 rather than 25 in recent years. Add all these together and the total actually paid to individual players seems like it will be lots less than the OP suggests.
 

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The lad that Salford recently signed was apparently on £12k / week (£624k / year) at Brighton.
 

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Don't the coaching and support staff also come out of this "playing" budget?
No the players' wages budget (called P1) doesn't include the manager, coaches and backup staff who are part of the larger P2 budget. P1 has to be reported to the EFL twice a year but not, I think, P2.

I'm not in the loop any more but IIRC the baseline for P1 was / is £1.08M but this has been augmented for the current and next few seasons from the transfer income, by around £0.5M p.a. (and maybe a bit more since then to offer enhanced contracts to key players?).
 

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Likewise, I am no longer in the loop, but certainly Tis used to work on a (four?) banded structure, with the lowest tier obviously being the first year pros graduating from the academy.
 

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Whatever the budget is, its not enough to get us out of this division, and thats with the recent cash windfalls. A few seasons of no major sales and we could find ourselves back in the Conference.

We might get between 1m to 2m from any future Watkins sale, and a few more quid drip fed from Chelsea, but as we all know our current business model isn't sustainable longer term if we want to progress.
Accrington comfortably made it out of our division on a lower budget, and Newport were a couple minutes away from doing so this season. It's tough, but definitely not impossible.
 

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If our 10th highest paid player is on 1.5k a week we need to start getting far better value !
Thinking about the sqaud last season, would you be surprised if any of the following were not earning £1.5k / week?

1. Pym
2. A Martin
3. Brown
4. Moxey
5. Holmes
6. L Martin
7. Law
8. Boateng
9. Taylor
10. Stockley
11. Forte

They are all established first team / senior players who I would expect to be earning £1,500+ / week.
 

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You can also add the players that came in, in January to that list; Bowman & Williams. I'd also suggest, although I have no knowledge, that Sweeney & Woodman would't be far off that figure either, considering their seniority & games played. Even though I would guess FB's command less wages than other positions, but if Deanno is on £3k, as reported, it's not hard to see them getting at least half of that figure.
 

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So we pay a transfer fee for Noah from Gloucester, then that would be a chunk out of the wage bill.
 

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And presumably employers national insurance at 13.8%? And agents fees. And loan players, who have grown the squad size to 30 rather than 25 in recent years. Add all these together and the total actually paid to individual players seems like it will be lots less than the OP suggests.
Think most lower league players are on a lot less than most fans' wild guesses. I've regurgitated this so many times that i'm started to bore myself, but about 3 years Christian Ribiero was a guest at one of our GWG meetings, he told us that at that time, L2 wages was between £600-£1200 per week. Now average wages may have increased since then, but i don't believe they'll have gone that much. As a players salary is legally a private matter between himself, and the club, i've no idea why people choose to believe the wild claims of fans of other clubs regarding how much their players are paid. That doesnt mean tha clubs wont have 2 or three players paid way more than the average, but if its a choice between the guesswork of fans and a straight from the horses mouth players statement, i know which one i'll believe.
As Andrew say, there's also employer's NI and possibly WPP contributions to take into aaccou, so i very much doubt that the vast majority of our players are being paid as much as some appear to think.
 
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