That Gap - What to do?

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I know I'm running a risk of ridicule and urine extraction regarding this topic, but here goes anyway...

Last season, I inquired of the club about a feasability study at the very least regarding that farcical stand that the whole world gets to look at via TV highlights etc, and what it would entail exactly switching the cameras to the other side in order to solve the problem - because it most definitely is a problem. Unfortunately I didnt get wheels in motion in time for such a study to be considered, so it died a death last year. I still feel strongly about it, and would like to get something off the ground this close season.

I dont want to be told we have better things to spend our money on, when nobody officially knows how much moving the cameras would cost. In my opinion the image of the club on a nationwide or even a global basis is paramount. Therefore having a stand that only goes just past the halfway line, and which is sparsley populated on a good day looks awful as a backdrop to a Football League match. I know its a beautifully appointed stand etc. but IMHO it just looks awful, with the bedsit land panorama for all to see to the right.

We played no end of teams in the past couple of seasons where their cameras are sited to reflect the best view of their ground, and are the opposite side from the commentary team. I think doing something like that has to be considered to reflect the best of St James Park, which would include a view of the dug-outs and the players tunnel. To me it makes total sense; not doing it is a no-brainer.

I should point out that two members within the club considered that moving the cameras would be a good idea, but seeing the ridicule I came in for, they didnt mention it again! What is the general (polite) consensus please?
 

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I disagree that it “is most definitely a problem” and I disagree that the new stand is “farcical”. Therefore, I disagree that the club should consider this idea for even one second.

Is that polite enough, muppet?
 

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I disagree that it “is most definitely a problem” and I disagree that the new stand is “farcical”. Therefore, I disagree that the club should consider this idea for even one second.

Is that polite enough, muppet?
Thats all I needed, an all round idiot like you setting a base tone of a serious thread. At least you put a degree of thought into your heartfelt response instead of the inevitable nonsensical one liner you specialise in! I did ask for politeness incidently - Muppet!
 

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I actually kind of agree with Pete, but for me it would be a nice ‘want’ rather than a ‘must’ item on the clubs to do list, like so many other things.

I guess there’s no real world business case to do it so it probably won’t happen until the time comes to fill in the gap.
 

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I actually kind of agree with Pete, but for me it would be a nice ‘want’ rather than a ‘must’ item on the clubs to do list, like so many other things.

I guess there’s no real world business case to do it so it probably won’t happen until the time comes to fill in the gap.
Actually I'm trying to find out if there's any "real world business case" involved here. I happen to think its a priority but I'd like to know what other serious minded City fans think. Its not easy when the usual exeweb trolls have nothing to suggest so try to take the pi/iss instead.
 

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Thats all I needed, an all round idiot like you setting a base tone of a serious thread. At least you put a degree of thought into your heartfelt response instead of the inevitable nonsensical one liner you specialise in! I did ask for politeness incidently - Muppet!
(rofl) my honest, seriously considered view is that your idea is an utter waste of time and money as it’s not important in the slightest. If disagreeing with you and using the word ‘muppet’ makes me one of the “usual Exeweb trolls” then so be it, muppet.
 
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I don't agree that the stand is 'farcial' and to be honest when watching highlights I'm looking at the pitch not the stand but if there is an option for locating the camera's to get a better view of the action (not the stand) then I'd be happy for the club to look into that
 

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I actually kind of agree with Pete, but for me it would be a nice ‘want’ rather than a ‘must’ item on the clubs to do list, like so many other things.

I guess there’s no real world business case to do it so it probably won’t happen until the time comes to fill in the gap.
I don't disagree with this.
 

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There's two things I really dislike about the new stand. The first is the length and I do agree it makes us look a little tinpot and it's highly frustrating that it wasn't longer. The second is the seats with restricted views. Andy Holloway kept telling us that it was a FL requirement to ensure that there were no restricted view seats, yet we've ended up with a couple of hundred.

Do I think we should commission a feasibility study to explore moving the camera? Absolutely not. What would be the point? It wouldn't solve either of the frustrations I list above.
 

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I'd love to see the stand extended by at least one block or more ideally (yes I know the engineering/political issues with NR) one day in the future when budgets allow and cover the cabling work needed in that costing.

On the other hand, I note that Exeter Chiefs moved the cameras from showing the huge all seater west stand to the opposite side which now shows the terrace tin shed of the east stand. I'm not sure why they did that, but it almost seems to counter the reasoning presented on this thread.
 

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If we moved the camera over to the other side, would we also need to go about replacing the (now quite badly faded) red seats in the main stand? Genuine question, because if we're keeping up appearances then that should be a priority.

Otherwise, another solution might be encouraging more people to take up season tickets in the new stand. It looks a lot better when full.
 

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As someone who watches most games on iFollow from the states I do kind of agree with Pete. it doesn’t look great when I’m showing others what I’m watching and a half stand which is half empty is on show. BUT I’m sure the only times we will be on TV on show to the world the stand will be full and they will have cameras all around the stadium so it won’t really matter. As many others have said more of a want than a need.
 

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With no keepers (still!) on our books, and with the new season rapidly approaching, I'm more worried about the current huge gap between our goalposts than the small gap at one end of the NOG. :(

Still no doubt our colonial real-estate and glovesmanship "expert" will continue to bang on about BOTH contradictory financial priorities for the foreseeable future.
 

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Do nothing - this is not a priority - as someone else alluded to earlier if I go to a game or watch one on TV I tend to watch the match rather than the surroundings and landscape.
 

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There's two things I really dislike about the new stand. The first is the length and I do agree it makes us look a little tinpot and it's highly frustrating that it wasn't longer. The second is the seats with restricted views. Andy Holloway kept telling us that it was a FL requirement to ensure that there were no restricted view seats, yet we've ended up with a couple of hundred.

Do I think we should commission a feasibility study to explore moving the camera? Absolutely not. What would be the point? It wouldn't solve either of the frustrations I list above.
I believe it was possible to have that stand put further a long towards the corner beside the BB but the club wouldn’t pay the extra which is a shame as it would of looked a lot better.

FBH time you grew up with name calling posters.
 

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At the time of the consultation it was said that the stand has been designed so it could be extended in the future. Whether that's true I have no idea. On the current footprint of land, the next block to be added would be tapered. You are then in a world of diminishing returns (# of seats per £ spent).

If the stand had been built a couple of meters closer to the pitch (which was the reason the pitch was moved towards the Cowshed a few seasons ago), there would be more space to work with.

These are all old arguments and there's not much point regurgitating them now.
 

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I have to say that when I saw this thread my first thought was, not again!!! However I have always wished something could be done with "the gap", even though i don't think it looks as bad as I thought it would now the refreshment and toilet blocks have been installed, something I don't think would be so obvious on screen.

Having had a look around the excellent NOG, when they opened it up after the match shortly after it was opened, what I was struck by was how brilliant SJP now looks from there, particularly from the end of the NOG nearest the away end. However the view from the current camera position in the cowshed is probably the worst view of the stadium there is and gives an impression of the stadium that I don't think you'd get from anywhere else in the ground. So I do have some sympathy with Pete's opinion. There is also the fact that some views of the ground will have the sun shining right into the camera lens at those times of the year when the sun sets in that corner.

Maybe its all the years I spent as a pro photographer working with advertising and marketing people that makes me sensitive to and aware of the value of good presentation, but I do think there are real advantages of showing your best side. So although this certainly isn't vital, I do think it could be worth a very basic feasibility study.
 

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I have to say that when I saw this thread my first thought was, not again!!! However I have always wished something could be done with "the gap", even though i don't think it looks as bad as I thought it would now the refreshment and toilet blocks have been installed, something I don't think would be so obvious on screen.

Having had a look around the excellent NOG, when they opened it up after the match shortly after it was opened, what I was struck by was how brilliant SJP now looks from there, particularly from the end of the NOG nearest the away end. However the view from the current camera position in the cowshed is probably the worst view of the stadium there is and gives an impression of the stadium that I don't think you'd get from anywhere else in the ground. So I do have some sympathy with Pete's opinion. There is also the fact that some views of the ground will have the sun shining right into the camera lens at those times of the year when the sun sets in that corner.

Maybe its all the years I spent as a pro photographer working with advertising and marketing people that makes me sensitive to and aware of the value of good presentation, but I do think there are real advantages of showing your best side. So although this certainly isn't vital, I do think it could be worth a very basic feasibility study.
Thanks for that Bill, particularly the last paragraph. All I really ask for is a basic feasibility study.

There's no disputing how well designed the interior of the NOG is, and how all of the available space has been used to the max. to include ample refreshment bars of various kinds. All of those features dont transmit to the exterior though, so it looks a basic stand with far too many seats not usable due to a design oversight. I mean who wants to sit anywhere near the back of the various passageway outlets when you have to look through railings to watch the match? There will always be blatent gaps to be seen in those areas. I'm quite surprised there wasnt some sort of study done to make sure that stand was built as originally proposed - I mean, didnt somebody notice the basic concrete pad that was poured was like 7-8 feet further back than needed?

Back to my original point though: Does anyone have any idea of cost in switching the cameras to the other side? I dont see why it would be mega expensive while we still have a spare quid or two.
 
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