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Highly unlikely Temp, If he is anything to go by, Any sign of weakness and his "Loyal" Cabinet will soon stab him in the back, It's what the Tories are good at
There are some sycophants within the ERG, but most have been career backbenchers for a reason (incompetence + holding some very fringe views). And while they may stick by him through weaker periods should he be supporting no deal, if that position changes at any point - as Parliamentary arithmetic dictates that it probably must - then they'll happily stab him in the front.

I think Javid is likely to get a role, probably replacing Hammond. There's talk in the papers of Priti Patel becoming Home Secretary, a job given her history she should be nowhere near. Gove as Northern Ireland secretary, the job traditionally given to a rival to appease them / stop them plotting from the backbenches. I'd imagine Hunt fancies his chances at remaining as Foreign Secretary, but he's been quite critical of Boris during this campaign (though he's reined it in over the last week).
 

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There are some sycophants within the ERG, but most have been career backbenchers for a reason (incompetence + holding some very fringe views). And while they may stick by him through weaker periods should he be supporting no deal, if that position changes at any point - as Parliamentary arithmetic dictates that it probably must - then they'll happily stab him in the front.

I think Javid is likely to get a role, probably replacing Hammond. There's talk in the papers of Priti Patel becoming Home Secretary, a job given her history she should be nowhere near. Gove as Northern Ireland secretary, the job traditionally given to a rival to appease them / stop them plotting from the backbenches. I'd imagine Hunt fancies his chances at remaining as Foreign Secretary, but he's been quite critical of Boris during this campaign (though he's reined it in over the last week).
Hunt wants to keep the FO job, He seem to have accepted in the last week or so he has no chance of becoming PM so a few nice words to tickle Johnson's ego to keep his job says so much about these Tories who say they want to do and say things in the best interests of the country but really they only have self interest at heart and sod the rest of us
 

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And you've not even dug down to the likes of Two-names Shapps or Spiderman Williamson. What an absolute shower (as the late Terry Thomas might have said, although that pair of shysters probably fit the BoJo dream profile perfectly). And I have to ask - WHERE ARE THE ERG BULLYBOYS AT THE MOMENT? Hunkering down in the bunkers dodging the fire and reading manuals about how-to best train their new puppy?

Still, one thing's for sure. Johnson has obviously made so many "promises" just to secure the nomination it's either going to be a darned big cabinet or there's going to be an AWFUL LOT of very discontented "new disciples" by the time parliament re-convenes. (Not that I'm singling out just the flagrant Amber Dudd for selling their principles in the probably futile hope of clinging on to their ministerial perks). At least "old spreadsheet" is being relatively consistent and honourable here.

Just such a shame that, at the time when the main opposition ought to be making barn-fulls of hay they have been seduced into their own internecine squabbles.

To conclude, just pointing out that, tomorrow (almost without mention in the mainstream press) the Lib Dems will also be announcing their new leader. Surprising, as that could possibly begin to be hugely significant in the forthcoming squabbles.
 

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And you've not even dug down to the likes of Two-names Shapps or Spiderman Williamson. What an absolute shower (as the late Terry Thomas might have said, although that pair of shysters probably fit the BoJo dream profile perfectly). And I have to ask - WHERE ARE THE ERG BULLYBOYS AT THE MOMENT? Hunkering down in the bunkers dodging the fire and reading manuals about how-to best train their new puppy?

Still, one thing's for sure. Johnson has obviously made so many "promises" just to secure the nomination it's either going to be a darned big cabinet or there's going to be an AWFUL LOT of very discontented "new disciples" by the time parliament re-convenes. (Not that I'm singling out just the flagrant Amber Dudd for selling their principles in the probably futile hope of clinging on to their ministerial perks). At least "old spreadsheet" is being relatively consistent and honourable here.

Just such a shame that, at the time when the main opposition ought to be making barn-fulls of hay they have been seduced into their own internecine squabbles.

To conclude, just pointing out that, tomorrow (almost without mention in the mainstream press) the Lib Dems will also be announcing their new leader. Surprising, as that could possibly begin to be hugely significant in the forthcoming squabbles.
And with such a divided nation the new Lib Dem leader could be very important because in any future GE, Especially if it's soon those who want to remain will unite and the Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, Labour (If they decide to tell us all when they get off the fence) is a very high % of voters
 

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So this week Johnson will be crowned.
Hopefully he won't have too many late night tiffs with his lady friend, bearing in mind the future Chancellor of the Exchequer, a certain Mr. Grayling, will be his next door neighbour, and he needs all the sleep he can get.
The circus sails on. We will be out by Oct 31st but we won't be out. Bojo's bumbling Mr. Magoo act (to cover up on his lack of knowledge about anything of importance) will continue. All the Tories who said they will resign on a matter of principle will not resign. May will do her best to snipe from the back benches, but nobody is listening, so she decides to do a full striptease to attract some attention, hence the name The Teaser.
The tragi-comedy that is the UK bumbles along as the country sinks further into the *****. Even the Queen is exasperated and has hit the bottle. She emigrates to Scotland, now a proud independent nation, her parting words being "fark that for a lark".
Finally, as the Tories ignore all global warming warnings, describing them as the propaganda of sandal-wearing, softie, tree-hugging liberals, the HoP sinks into the River Thames and the English rejoice. It's all over.
 

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So this week Johnson will be crowned.
And so it will (most likely) come to pass. We all deserve the leaders we get. And a message to all Bojo hating Remainers - yep, it's mostly all your fault. It needn't have been this way.
 

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And so it will (most likely) come to pass. We all deserve the leaders we get. And a message to all Bojo hating Remainers - yep, it's mostly all your fault. It needn't have been this way.
Yes. It could have been...... May...🤣
 

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And so it will (most likely) come to pass. We all deserve the leaders we get. And a message to all Bojo hating Remainers - yep, it's mostly all your fault. It needn't have been this way.
Wasn't it the Johnson-loving ERG that blocked May's deal?

I don't really see how it's the fault of Labour, Lib Dem and SNP MPs – none elected on a platform of supporting a Conservative Brexit – that are to blame over Conservative MPs.
 

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Wasn't it the Johnson-loving ERG that blocked May's deal?

I don't really see how it's the fault of Labour, Lib Dem and SNP MPs – none elected on a platform of supporting a Conservative Brexit – that are to blame over Conservative MPs.
Here we go again. The ERG are a mere 80 odd and even most of those had caved in and supported May's deal at the third attempt. Labour total over 240 and should've been more in line with May's deal than the ERG but they weren't because, as Jason H would say, err, politics.
 

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Here we go again. The ERG are a mere 80 odd and even most of those had caved in and supported May's deal at the third attempt. Labour total over 240 and should've been more in line with May's deal than the ERG but they weren't because, as Jason H would say, err, politics.
Labour as said don't want to be seen voting for a Tory Brexit, Same goes for Lib Dems SNP. ERG, There are enough to have voted through May's deal but didn't want to and as her working majority is in single figures she failed because also the DUP didn't like or voted for May's deal. To blame the opposition for this mess is laughable, Plus don't forget she screwed her majority by calling the GE in 2017, The fault lays with her
 
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