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    Tisdale's contract

    Update from the man himself

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41607161

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    Re: Tisdale's contract

    it would be good for tisdale if we get promoted and we are still in negotiations because then in close season he could reasonably ask for better terms.

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    Either way it would be good for Tisdale if City get promoted.

    Better terms offered by City, and an enticing prospect for a bigger club given they won't have to shell out any compensation.
    Last edited by elginCity; 13 October 2017 at 10:45.

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    Re: Tisdale's contract

    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous View Post
    it would be good for tisdale if we get promoted and we are still in negotiations because then in close season he could reasonably ask for better terms.

    Or have some sort of bonus in place when we get promoted ? Really wouldn't want to lose him over some minor detail in the new contract to another team who will offer anything he wanted.

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    Re: Tisdale's contract

    As is well known on these pages, I am opposed to rolling contracts, especially if they are more than a year, on governance principles. The way this is being done now is IMO how it should have been handled in the past.

    The manager has a contract, with a clear end date. When it get to a certain time before its expiry, the two parties can discuss an extension / revision / success clauses, if both are happy with progress and achievements under the existing contract. Both sides know where they are, and can concentrate on the day job.

    Far preferable to a two year rolling contract under which it would presumably have been very expensive to terminate even in the event of poor performance or major disagreement (e.g. over strategy / budgets).

    Serving notice of the rolling contract was therefore IMO good governance and justified. And the roof has certainly not fallen in, as some people predicted at the time. In fact the opposite, though personally I doubt if the two are connected: coincidence is not correlation, and correlation is not causation.

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    Re: Tisdale's contract

    Quote Originally Posted by John William View Post
    As is well known on these pages, I am opposed to rolling contracts, especially if they are more than a year, on governance principles. The way this is being done now is IMO how it should have been handled in the past.

    The manager has a contract, with a clear end date. When it get to a certain time before its expiry, the two parties can discuss an extension / revision / success clauses, if both are happy with progress and achievements under the existing contract. Both sides know where they are, and can concentrate on the day job.

    Far preferable to a two year rolling contract under which it would presumably have been very expensive to terminate even in the event of poor performance or major disagreement (e.g. over strategy / budgets).

    Serving notice of the rolling contract was therefore IMO good governance and justified. And the roof has certainly not fallen in, as some people predicted at the time. In fact the opposite, though personally I doubt if the two are connected: coincidence is not correlation, and correlation is not causation.
    What you are in favour of is in fact the norm: the rolling contract was not the norm.

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    Re: Tisdale's contract

    Quote Originally Posted by John William View Post
    As is well known on these pages, I am opposed to rolling contracts, especially if they are more than a year, on governance principles. The way this is being done now is IMO how it should have been handled in the past.

    The manager has a contract, with a clear end date. When it get to a certain time before its expiry, the two parties can discuss an extension / revision / success clauses, if both are happy with progress and achievements under the existing contract. Both sides know where they are, and can concentrate on the day job.

    Far preferable to a two year rolling contract under which it would presumably have been very expensive to terminate even in the event of poor performance or major disagreement (e.g. over strategy / budgets).

    Serving notice of the rolling contract was therefore IMO good governance and justified. And the roof has certainly not fallen in, as some people predicted at the time. In fact the opposite, though personally I doubt if the two are connected: coincidence is not correlation, and correlation is not causation.
    Excellent post and completely agreed.

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    Re: Tisdale's contract

    Quote Originally Posted by John William View Post
    As is well known on these pages, I am opposed to rolling contracts, especially if they are more than a year, on governance principles. The way this is being done now is IMO how it should have been handled in the past.

    The manager has a contract, with a clear end date. When it get to a certain time before its expiry, the two parties can discuss an extension / revision / success clauses, if both are happy with progress and achievements under the existing contract. Both sides know where they are, and can concentrate on the day job.

    Far preferable to a two year rolling contract under which it would presumably have been very expensive to terminate even in the event of poor performance or major disagreement (e.g. over strategy / budgets).

    Serving notice of the rolling contract was therefore IMO good governance and justified. And the roof has certainly not fallen in, as some people predicted at the time. In fact the opposite, though personally I doubt if the two are connected: coincidence is not correlation, and correlation is not causation.
    Absolutely the correct approach. Rolling contracts are simply not good business for any club trying to live within its means.

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    What was unfortunate about terminating the rolling contract was the timing of doing so. Whatever the wording of the AGM and the reasoning given by its author, it was bound to be linked to our poor home form and construed as censure. I'm also much happier with the idea of a fixed contract length and I'm not saying that there was ever "a golden moment" to make this change, but mixing results on the pitch with good governance concerns certainly muddies the water.

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    Re: Tisdale's contract

    To be very clear, if the AGM motion had been voted down last year, and everything else happened exactly the same, then I would still be supportive of putting the exact same motion to this years AGM regardless of the fact that the form since that time has been excellent. As John William says, it is not a results question, it is a governance question.

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