IndoMike
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If May was a confessed remainer so why couldn't Dave as a remainer stay on?
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General Election - 8thJune
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Alistair20000
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Because Ken Clarke stated that he would not last 5 minutes as PM if he lost the Referendum
IndoMike
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Do you believe that is true? And do you think he should have said "Well let's see, Clarkey boy?
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Mr Jinx
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Call Me Dave did the right thing all along and only messed with the concessions imho. If he had got much better concessions from the EU this thread wouldn't exist. But unsurprisingly (to me and many others at least) he didn't and so he went and dressed up the few tossed crumbs as best he could which made him look as weak as it did foolish. And we are where we are.
He may as well have brandished a sheet of white paper declaring "Peace in our time" or similar.
IndoMike
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When he called for a referendum he should have reminded the voters that the result would not be binding but was just to consult with the British people. If the result had been the same he should have said to the Euro leaders that the British people were not convinced about Europe for reasons a, b and c and he would have to call for another referendum within 12 months if the concessions were not offered.
Hence why we live in a representative democracy, not democracy by plebiscite. We shouldn't be making monumental decisions on the basis of which side is best at lying.
The fact that right-wingers call the BBC left-wing and the left-wingers call it right-wing says a lot in my opinion.Interesting this.
Culturally, the BBC could be labelled left wing.
I'd say it was trying to stay ahead of the cultural curve but then I'm a Guardian reading lefty
I don't think BBC political coverage is left wing at all.
I think it strives to be neutral and all credit to it for that but when you consider the likes of the Today programme (ex editor Rod Liddle now a right wing attack dog), Daily Politics (main presenter Andrew Neil - Sunday Times. Telegraph, Spectator), Newsnight (ex presenter Jeremy Paxman approached by the Tories as a possible candidate), the last BBC politics chief Robbie Gibb becoming Teresa May's director of communications.
Well .......
Having said that, I do think they got up to some suspicious stuff in the last election. The Kuenssberg/Corbyn interview was one such odd occurrence.
Quite. The well informed and best informed leaving such a 'monumental decision' to the misinformed, disinformed and ill-informed is NOT 'the true face of democracy'.
It's the true face of travesty.
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Alistair20000
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Ken Clarke did indeed say that and he was right to do so. Call Me Dave dressed up his tawdry negotiation as a good deal and actively fuelled Project Fear with his sidekick Gideon Osborne. Once the Referendum was lost he was toast.
What Call Me Dave should have said was that the deal was poor but it was as good as he could get and that in his opinion and despite that we were still better off in than out. He should also have avoided the crap about a "reformed EU" as it has not the slightest intention intention of reforming itself in a way that Dave suggested. At least that would have been an honest approach.
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