Grimes watch.

dontpassback said:

I think Jfh is an intelligent manager who will strive to get the best from grimes,I hope they both succeed and do well .

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Had a decent game against us this evening, by all accounts.

Was impressed with him in L2 and surprised things didn't really seem to work out for him when he moved up the leagues, so suspect he'll continue to be a real asset for Northampton.

sign of the chimes said:

Had a decent game against us this evening, by all accounts.

Was impressed with him in L2 and surprised things didn't really seem to work out for him when he moved up the leagues, so suspect he'll continue to be a real asset for Northampton.

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Let's hope so, and this will be to his long term benefit. Hope he goes on to live up to the promise he showed with us.

Now that Grimes seems to be getting a chance at Swansea, does anyone know if we have any future appearance payments due to us should he keep on playing games?

Moomin Grecian said:

Now that Grimes seems to be getting a chance at Swansea, does anyone know if we have any future appearance payments due to us should he keep on playing games?

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Pretty sure the answer is no. IIRC Swansea wanted to pay a single all in fee with no add ons (albeit in four staged payments).

Colesman Ballz said:

Pretty sure the answer is no. IIRC Swansea wanted to pay a single all in fee with no add ons (albeit in four staged payments).

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I think it is entirely correct that it was the single all in fee with no add ons.

But I suspect the credit as to how the fee was structured is down to ECFC rather than Swansea. Our people have been very astute - sacrificing add ons in the Grimes deal to get the massive 1.75m, which seems miraculous now. In contrast we have the 20% profit on resale for Watkins, far more likely to produce a big windfall.

I thought I read somewhere that for Seaborne we negotiated a payment if Southampton got promoted, which paid out, whereas on either appearances or re-sale there would have been nothing. For Tom Nichols we got not just the initial fee but (I think) appearance based add ons , which paid out.

Thanks both. As you say £1.7m for Grimes is superb money considering it’s taken 2-3 years for him to break into the squad.

Moomin Grecian said:

Thanks both. As you say £1.7m for Grimes is superb money considering it’s taken 2-3 years for him to break into the squad.

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But then if he turns out to be a decent player for them it'll still be a steal by today's standards.

Temporarily Exiled said:

But then if he turns out to be a decent player for them it'll still be a steal by today's standards.

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Yeah true. He may do but I still get he feeling he won’t be more than a squad player at Championship level. We’ll see.

Looking at Swansea's squad, I'd suspect he'll spend more time on the bench this season, and another loan spell wouldn't be impossible. In terms of midfield options I would say he is 4th or 5th choice still:

Leroy Fer : Bersant Celina (just signed for 3m and straight into the first XI) : Tom Carroll - in my view these will be the main midfield choices
Grimes : Jay Fulton : Yan Dhanda - in my view these will be back up / rotation options

I'd like to see him get good game time and break into the first team, but I can't see him dislodging Fer or Carroll, and Celina is a new buy so is clearly ahead of him in the pecking order for now at least. I guess as with any squad player he needs to train hard, be patient, and play well enough when given the chance to make it hard for the manager to drop him.

And Swansea have been trying to sign Brentford ‘s Ryan Woods a central midfielder. The y haven’t met the £7m asking price but are still trying for a loan deal. That would push Matt further down the pecking order.