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    Re: General Election - 8thJune

    Ha, the old schoolboy "They were called national socialists!" argument. Classic.

    And North Korea is called the Democratic People's Republic. Names mean nothing.
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    The right are too busy with anti-Islamic sentiment. Although unlike Corbyn supporters, no one seems to find it worth mentioning when someone on the other side says something racist.
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    The politics on both sides of the atlantic are hugely interesting at the moment. But at least on this side the public sector are still being paid while all the political nonsense goes on. What a...
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    May looks to be openly courting Labour votes for her deal, dangerous tactic surely? (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46817503)
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    They should have at least know the bit about not negotiating on trade deals until we have left. I think the line at the very least strongly implies (and some might say outright says) that we will go...
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    Re: General Election - 8thJune

    Yes, that's what most remainers said at the time. My point is that Vote Leave, the official campaign, were not up front about it on their website.
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    The full sentence is not clearly worded, and could refer to what the government will know rather than whether there will be a relationship: "After the informal phase the government will know the...
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    It wasn't made clear by vote leave on that page, who have either been deliberately misleading or aren't clear of the facts themselves. And yes we do have that transition period as part of May's deal....
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    The point is that they don't ever say "if we can't negotiate a deal, we'll leave without one, then worry about it afterwards." They're clearly framing the promised deal as part of the withdrawal...
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    I think you're being a bit generous to them Jason, they're the ones conflating. Their 3 stages clearly imply that we will go straight into the new arrangement. There is no mention of the possibility...
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    Except the official leave campaign said there would be a deal. You'll not find anything in their literature mentioning no deal or leaving at any cost. In fact they said the opposite:

    Funny how...
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    I'm with the majority. A bit of messing around before agreeing to May's deal.
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    One can't help but feel the portrayal of this as a huge crisis is a distraction tactic...
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    She's had her shot and shouldn't go again, and I don't think the party would take a risk on her. However, on a national level if she feels she can make ground with the Bernie supporters and 3rd...
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    Republicans don't care about lying, otherwise they'd have impeached Trump long before now. But they would care about collusion with a foreign power, particularly the old enemy. Regardless, I don't...
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    I don't think they would or could turn a blind eye to irrefutable evidence of collusion with Russia. Whether that evidence is ever forthcoming we shall see. I certainly don't think the investigation...
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    Not really. I know they would never make a move based on what is right, but what serves their own interests. Right now Trump is doing good things for them, so they'll hold their noses and carry on....
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    Well yes, the prospect of Republicans holding him to account on moral grounds is unlikely. However, if they ever felt he was a liability, it's a distinct possibility. They'd only do it for selfish...
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    He can still be held responsible via impeachment though. He can be impeached, and therefore removed from office, then indicted.
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    Seems like a job for Private Eye to me.
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    Rail fare increase came in today. Highest rise since 2013, after a year with the worst performance since 2005. It's all very well for Grayling to bang on about record levels of government spending on...
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    I'm a proponent of PR personally. If we didn't have so many safe seats then FPTP might be a goer, but well over a third of the seats haven't changed hands since before 1950. At least with PR those...
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    It's explained at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36449974
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    I suggested this a few pages back. Seems like a sensible option to me.
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    Unlike the ERG, Corbyn is sensible enough to know he can't win a no confidence vote right now. The DUP will have to be pushed considerably further before they side with him on anything. I suppose...
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